First time adding an owner operator

Discussion in 'Motor Carrier Questions - The Inside Scoop' started by Fares, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. LoneRanger

    LoneRanger Road Train Member

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    I personally wouldn’t do it. I don’t plan on expanding so that is why.

    ask yourself this question, are you ready to have your whole life turned upside down because someone leased to your company creates a problem on the road that causes a serious crash. In other words do you trust them enough to put your life on the line. Then and only then you can make that decision.
     
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  3. Fares

    Fares Bobtail Member

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    My insurance is going to put everything on their name. Cargo, liability, damage, collision, bobtail as the one I have for my own truck. I would. Collect COI from them every month or however I would like. They are going to be owner operator with their own trucks and a contract between us. This is how we planned on doing it. You are the second person saying as @Midwest Trucker. If you can give me your insurance guy information, it would be appreciate. I will keep looking into this before going any further. @Midwest Trucker if you can also give the insurance guy number, I would appreciate it. Thank you guys for responding and helping out!!!
    I also want to mention 3+ trucks for first year insurance raises a red flag to the insurance company and raise up the price way too much.
     
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  4. Fares

    Fares Bobtail Member

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    This is how I used to think, and this is why I am planning out everything based on this. I know who I will hire for sure, and do all legal paperwork. I am posting here to get myself more information and be more covered the correct way. It’s a hassle as a start, but all correct paper work and contracts, and the right people, there is nothing to worry about!!!
     
  5. Midwest Trucker

    Midwest Trucker Road Train Member

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    If I brokered a load to your authority, I expect it to be your insurance responsible. I also would verify the name on the door is your authority name. If I found out this owner op doesn’t have the authorities insurance liability and cargo then I would take the load back and black list you as double brokering.

    I have trucks, owner ops, and brokerage so I’m familiar with this.
     
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  6. wichris

    wichris Road Train Member

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    Don't you love carriers that lease on someone with their own insurance?
     
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  7. Oxbow

    Oxbow Road Train Member

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    To run under MC # the BOC filing for cargo has to be for the MC #, right?
    @Midwest Trucker is right.
     
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  8. wichris

    wichris Road Train Member

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    Liability, cargo isn't required by the FMCSA anymore. But only a fool would load someone without cargo.
     
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  9. Judge

    Judge Road Train Member

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    www.ooida.com they’ll also answer a ton of these questions.

    Meanie!!
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    Oh, and it’s a shame double brokering happens on commodities, a lot of brokers double or triple broker hopper freight, that’s why you gotta really be careful or someone else gets 3/4 pie.
     
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  10. Fares

    Fares Bobtail Member

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    Now this make sense to me! It made more clear for me because I am Carrier/Broker. I need your help please if you don’t mind. I am ready to do the right thing. I am bringing an owner operator soon. He will have the authority name on the truck, no double brokerage. The insurance thing is left for me and the contract. If you can help me do the right thing, I would appreciate it! Can I get your contact or give you my contact to talk a a bit?? God bless!!!
     
  11. brian991219

    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    This should help you, it is a link to Part 376 of the FMCSRs. This is the set of regulations that control exactly what you can and can not do with a leased on owner operator. Your contract must include and address everything contained in these regulations.

    eCFR :: 49 CFR Part 376 -- Lease and Interchange of Vehicles

    I also strongly suggest you get a different insurance agent as he is giving you bad advice, or perhaps not explaining what his advice is clearly enough. Simply put, you are required by regulation to provide the public liability portion of the insurance. You can charge back to the owner operator for the cost but it must be your policy. The MCS-90 has language that forces the insurance company to cover any vehicle displaying your US DOT number on your policy even if it isn't listed, and if you do as your agent suggests the owner operator vehicle(s) will not be declared (listed) and that violates your policy. This means if there is a loss, they will be forced to pay it by law then sue the crap out of you in court to recover their payout. Best part is the leased owner operator's insurance will deny the claim because they (they owner operator) was not the authorized operating carrier at the time of the loss.

    Here is the small part of 49 CFR 376 that requires you, the motor carrier, to provide the public liability insurance. Read it carefully.

    Insurance.

    (1) The lease shall clearly specify the legal obligation of the authorized carrier to maintain insurance coverage for the protection of the public pursuant to FMCSA regulations under 49 U.S.C. 13906. The lease shall further specify who is responsible for providing any other insurance coverage for the operation of the leased equipment, such as bobtail insurance. If the authorized carrier will make a charge back to the lessor for any of this insurance, the lease shall specify the amount which will be charged-back to the lessor.
     
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