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ELDs encourage unsafe driving when uncontrollable delays occur.

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by RunningAces, Jan 5, 2022.

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  1. Jan 5, 2022 #1
    RunningAces

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    On top of all the common complaints about problems with ELDs and how rigid they make enforcement I've run into a new one these last two weeks.
    I ran through Flagstaff a little less than a week ago when they had that winter storm blow through the area. My clock allowed me to get right to flagstaff but I didn't have the 30 minutes or so extra to make it down the mountain and avoid the worst part of the storm. That put me in a spot of deciding to drive on poor weather or delaying an appointment that could cost days of being on the road and thousands from having to cancel loads. Trip planning is making a plan, and they don't always work out after all.

    The next issue is right now I'm up and awake and sitting in west Wyoming, if I could have left an hour ago I would have beat the incoming storm that's about to hit that wonderful stretch between Rawlins and Laramie. While I'm stuck here waiting on the nanny clock to tell me I'm OK to drive the storm is moving closer and closer and now I've got to decide if I'm going to get delayed by possible a day, day and half of sitting or risk the winter storm.

    I know ultimately it's our call when to drive or not but this is a emotionless system that cannot possibly take all things into account. It literally records everything and the system allows no flexibility and forces us into having to make calls that could be less safe.
     
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  3. Jan 5, 2022 #2
    Big Road Skateboard

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    Agreed. Thankfully I'm running a 91 model. Had to outrun storms the last two weeks. Into and out of Washington and Oregon before Christmas, and last week into and out of Montana, then across the Midwest to Virginia.
     
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  4. Jan 5, 2022 #3
    dchawk81

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    It's hours of service you have a problem with, not the ELD.
     
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  5. Jan 5, 2022 #4
    dirthaller

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    Tell us more….oh wise one!
     
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  7. Jan 5, 2022 #5
    Big Road Skateboard

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    Nah, it ELD's. With paper you just.....
     
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  8. Jan 5, 2022 #6
    dchawk81

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    Yeah exactly.
     
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  9. Jan 5, 2022 #7
    GYPSY65

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    The entire system is messed up

    They’re taking part of an old system and part of a new and trying to say it’s better

    Like having a horse pull a Tesla thing

    The 70/8 days rule is also dumb

    I bump my clock when I know I can make $$$ and last month I was running these loads that picked and delivered within a few miles of each other
    I could do them legally with elogs and load Fri and empty Thursday R/T

    Problem is one day I would end up with only a couple hours of drive time, I need all hours and couldn’t sit for a restart to make it a 6 day $$$ run
    So I run my couple hours on Wednesday and then back in the e bunk
    Then after midnight I’d run the rest of the way in and deliver Thursday AM

    Now, if someone slept Tuesday night and pretty much had Wednesday off now we are out there with the possibility of being up a lot of hours if we didn’t go back to sleep for the day

    Take that 70/8 away and in this case could have driven and delivered on Wednesday in normal business hours eliminating an extra day on the run and the overnight part

    The entire program needs to be updated
     
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  10. Jan 5, 2022 #8
    dchawk81

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    The problem with HOS is no matter what they do, some niches get screwed by it while others do fine.

    There's no solution that works for everyone.
     
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  11. Jan 5, 2022 #9
    GYPSY65

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    Probably needs a tiered type system

    Local Vs bull haulers Vs long haul etc??

    Im sure there’s a way but you’re right. It’s not a one size fits all
     
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  12. Jan 5, 2022 #10
    bryan21384

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    I think you ought to check your weather app a little more often haha....I'm not sure why the eld is the issue. Regardless of how you log, sometimes you can anticipate weather and sometimes you can't. If I can anticipate it, and it don't look like I want to get to the spot I want to, sometimes I'll stop earlier and allow a snowstorm to pass. Sometimes I'll have go through it ... it's a luck of the draw it seems.
     
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