Tandem placement and turning radius

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  1. Wasted Thyme

    Wasted Thyme Road Train Member

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    *Raises hand* pick me. I know the answer. :)
     
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    Neither category. It was not wilful ignorance. It was just not on my mind.

    I fell into the category of "tandem placement and turning radius" was not on my mind for 6 years and 364 days. If my truck company brought the topic up and was going to do a demonstration of the effects of tandem placement and turning radius at the terminal when I was at the terminal or on home time, I would have made a point of attending the demonstration.

    When I created this thread, I was in the drivers who want to bother to learn this stuff category.

    The most important thing is that now I am in the "Driver in the know" category.
     
  5. Rideandrepair

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    In case it hasn’t been mentioned, you can slide the fifth wheel forward also to tighten up turning radius also.
     
  6. Wasted Thyme

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    Now you're just gonna confuse him. :D
     
  7. tlalokay

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    Literally every single time a driver makes a turn, forward or in reverse, some light bulb should be illuminated whereby the driver is taking into consideration how the position of the tandems effects the opening and closing of the angle created between the tip of the truck and the DOT bumper on the trailer.

    Even if you can't or wouldn't explain these observations as articulated above, there should be an intuitive acknowledgement of the phenomena mentioned.

    If you have been driving for 6+ years without realizing this function of the angle of a turn and the position of the tandems, then you are a reason why I have a dashcam and still get up to look when I hear someone backing into or pulling out of the parking space next me.
     
  8. expedite_it

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    If you slide the fifth wheel forward, I would think that would make it so that one cannot make U-turns as tight as when the fifth wheel is slid back because there would be less space between the trailer and the back "fins" of the tractor. I used to drive a day cab (where the fifth wheel was way far forward of any truck I drove with a sleeper berth), and I noticed that I didn't have to worry about smashing the tractor against the trailer when doing a U-turn.

    However, if the fifth wheel is slid forward, that would also bring the tandems closer to the steer tires of the truck just because a fifth wheel slid forward moves the entire trailer forward. With the fifth wheel slid forward, I would think that would help one maker tighter turns. So I agree with Rideandrepair on this.

    I don't think that Rideandrepair was writing about U-turns when he said that you can slide the fifth wheel forward to tighten up turning radius. But am I correct that you can make tighter U-turns with the fifth wheel slid back than with the fifth wheel slid forward?

    P.S. A tighter U-turn is a U-turn does over a smaller distance than a less tight U-turn.

    I included the drawing in the photograph below on this post to help explain what the word "tighter" means when I write of a "tighter turn".

    In the drawing in the photograph below, in example #1, the green semi-truck travels on the first ray of an angle, and then the green semi-truck turns at the vertex. Then the green semi-truck travels in a straight line on the second ray of an angle. The angle between the first ray and the second ray of the path of the green semi-truck is 120 degrees.

    In example #2, the red semi-truck travels on the first ray of an angle, and then the red semi-truck turns at the vertex. Then the red semi-truck travels in a straight line on the second ray of an angle. The angle between the first ray and the second ray of the path of the red semi-truck is 90 degrees.

    The red semi-truck's turn is a tighter turn than the green semi-truck's turn.

    angles of tighter turn.jpg
     
  9. expedite_it

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    You can use post #128 to judge if I am confused.
     
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