Why is it better to have the tandems slid forward when alleydocking?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by expedite_it, Sep 16, 2022.

  1. Broke_and_Hungry

    Broke_and_Hungry Light Load Member

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    I'm old and not trying to be smart. Although I only drive a couple days a month now, I've been driving for decades and it doesn't matter to me where the axles are when backing into a dock. That said, if the customer wants the tandems back while docked, I do it when I open the doors.

    Perhaps a little too much thinking going on.
     
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  3. slim shady

    slim shady Road Train Member

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    I prefer tandems all the way back/rear
    Don't have those issues any more, In the tanker world there's no sliding tandems
     
  4. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    This is where I think you went wrong. I disagree with the other driver.

    Two extremes, but have you ever backed a 28' pup trailer . . . or a 53' stretch Tri-axle step (or an RGN for that matter) ??

    The shorter trailer turns much quicker, so you don't need much room in front of you.

    The longer trailer (tandems at the rear) will take more room in front of you, and react slower than the short pup trailer.

    Tailswing? Is an issue with the trailer tandems forward, and if you keep 'following' and turn too tight, then you've got multiple issues and have to reposition, pull up, or you'll be snaking after the trailer trying to catch it, and be well off your intended mark.
     
  5. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Side note - over the years, I think the most fender benders I've seen at docks and truck stops - are due to tail swing, typically catching the truck to the right (passenger side) of the one backing in, or pulling out.
     
  6. rockeee

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    There is only one type of tail swing. Tandems slid forward, backing or going forward = tail swing. Typically I would perfer the tandems to the rear, less work. If you are pulling forward for a pull up, if there is nothing next to you, who cares about tail swing. I think your question about being worried about tail swing while moving in reverse is rather silly. Not too sure about "worried" but if you are backing in between 2 trucks or trailers at an angle, you sure better be aware or "concerned" about tail swing otherwise there goes someones mirrors or fender or the hinges on your doors.
     
  7. CrappieJunkie

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    I'm a yard dog. I work at a facility that requires tandems all the way back, so I have been doing this 6 years. The advantage to having them all the way back is you don't have to worry about a lot of trailer swing in the back. When you back up with the tandems forward the back of the trailer has to swing a lot to get straight.

    Also, in the same instance, a trailer with the tandems forward bends a lot quicker and if you over correct the passenger side will kick out quicker putting you in a situation where you will hit the trailer next to you. With the tandems back it bends a lot slower so you have more time to correct that. You can see the trailer bending slower giving you more time to stop and correct.
     
  8. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    With trailer tandems forward you need less overall empty space in front of the "parked in the dock" position. But with tandems anywhere forward of the farthest-to-rear position you have tail swing of the trailer rear to worry about. If you have all the room any driver could ask for, it's easier and safer to slide tandems to the most rearward position. I learned how to back with my tandems set for weight distribution, not ease of backing. I learned to drive and back before air-release tandems were available. Because of that I learned to not slide my tandems unless it was required because any trailer that was older than 6 months would likely have some difficulty sliding the trailer tandems.
     
  9. Allow Me.

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    How much room do you have to get the trailer into the dock? It makes a difference if you 2 acres out in the country or a sliver of the parking lot with a fire hydrant and 3 poles to not hit. Some truck schools willtrain you with 28' pups, some with 48' trailers, but not many with 53' trailers (which you actually will be using most). You mentioned having to get out and walk back twice, which you should do to double check the pins setting properly. Your method, you're just hoping they set. Me personally, "safety" is my middle name. Take that extra few seconds to eyeball it. Same with eyeballing your 5th wheel being locked in. Oh, tandems slid all the way back will be easier to back into dock.
     
  10. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    The "other driver" said that it is easier to line the trailer up with the parking spot with the tandems slid forward. Do you disagree with the other driver on that? Please clarify.

    I have never backed a 28' pup trailer. I suppose that a 53' stretch Tri-axle step trailer has three axles. No, I never backed a 53' stretch Tri-axle step trailer either.

    I totally understand how a longer wheelbase means that the trailer will react slow for a given (constant) turning of the steering wheel. For instance, if one turns the steering wheel a quarter turn, I understand that a trailer with a longer wheelbase will take a longer time to react than a trailer with a short wheelbase.

    However, if you have the tandems all the way to the rear, wouldn't the trailer react just as quickly as if the tandems were all the way forward as long as you turned the steering wheel farther?

    Just out of curiosity (I'm not arguing with you), why would a longer wheelbase (tandems at the rear) require more room in front of you? No matter where the tandems are, you still have to eventually swing the tractor in front of the trailer if you want the tractor to be aligned with the trailer in the parking spot when the back is completed.

    If you are doing a 45 degree alleydock back, and you need to do a pull up (a pull up is driving forward), I can see how tailswing can be an issue when you are driving forward. How does tailswing work when you actually have your tractor in reverse and are actually backing the trailer?
     
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  11. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    How would tail swing work when you are going in reverse on a 45 degree alleydock like in the drawing in the photograph in the OP? Imagine the top of the drawing is north. The right side of the drawing is the east. The left side of the drawing is the west. The bottom of the drawing is the South. As the nose of the trailer goes towards the east while the truck is moving in reverse, wouldn't the tail swing be to the west? If so, wouldn't you know you're not going to hit anything to the west because wouldn't you be in the clear once the tandems have passed the tractor-trailer to the west of the parking spot?
     
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