How are Brokers NOT to blame?

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by rch10007, Oct 14, 2022.

  1. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    Let me try and educate you on why this raises so much push back.

    Almost a decade ago there was an member @BigBadBill started a company called F2F which was going to "revolutionize and modernize " the IC model so that drivers would have more information and influence on the rate they hauled for. I was a new driver and followed the conversation with interest. Turns out Bill just reinvented the wheel, but did so poorly and screwed over a whole bunch of drivers. I would recommend reading through those threads.

    Then there was @freightwiper. Started out as a Schneider IC, then went "out on his own". As an IC he was warned multiple times about oversharing what his business model and operations were, then whined about how the "good loads" started disappearing from the board before he could book them. When he went out on his own, he was team driving and bragged to his employee how much he was making, so his employee decided to get their own truck. Same story when he bought his second truck and put a driver in it. Freightwiper talked about how much he was profiting off this guy, and the guy walked on him.

    Then there's @Jarhead - aka "the truckers coach". He tried to do something similar to what you're trying to do. Only problem is he didn't understand what he was doing. His business model had nothing to do with running freight profitably and everything to do with referral bonuses and "coaching" fees.

    Then there are the dozens of folks who show up asking advice about their business plan, get told they're missing a few puzzle pieces but get the truck anyway (if you really want to increase rates, get rid of these guys). One guy came back to post a "y'all said I couldn't, but I did so look at me now" and said knowing what he knows now he wouldn't have gone down the IC route at all.

    What you're trying to do isn't anything new and won't have a positive impact on the industry. If it has any impact at all, it will be negative. It will encourage those who have no business owning a business to acquire a truck and show where the floor for rates are so they can underbid.
     
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  3. Oxbow

    Oxbow Road Train Member

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    Curious, do you own the source(s)?
     
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  4. REO6205

    REO6205 Road Train Member

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    He's getting what he wants, He likes being the center of attention and his badly thought out scheme is nothing more than a means to keep the spotlight on himself.
    Nobody actively engaged in trucking has any faith that what he proposes will work. It's just a sham.
    As long as we keep giving him what he needs he'll be here.
     
  5. rch10007

    rch10007 Medium Load Member

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    What scheme? That’s the harassment I was talking about. You’re making up crap in your head and typing it out as if what you say is real. That’s slander.

    I don’t know why some of you are so bent on judging me. There have been some scammers here and now because I shared some info, I’m like them? Seriously? Some of you have poor math skills. Others, low self esteem and probably a personality disorder but I have done nothing wrong.

    I didn’t ask for all the negativity and critical feedback that was not constructive at all. I merely shared some info and proposed others do the same. I don’t think like y’all. I don’t think everyone is out to get me and I have to hide all my stuff.

    Some of you mock and wish I was out of business. Maybe that would make your clique stronger. To run off people that aren’t in your good ole boy network.

    I don’t need you or your conjecture. You guys can keep making up stuff and project all you want.

    Heck, one guy said he has 20 year old contracts…so why is he even discussing a business model like mine and declaring I’m going out of business. Again, that’s not harassment? Keep your opinions to yourself if you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand.

    The question was how are brokers NOT to blame and apparently, it’s me, I’m to blame. All because I shared what I would quote anyone, right now and then tried to share some of the variables in my formula. I didn’t offer to sell anything. I didn’t ask for drama. Y’all gave it willingly.

    Some of you people are just no good. I suggest you use the ignore feature.
     
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  6. MartinFromBC

    MartinFromBC Road Train Member

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    I own 1 very small source, my own gravel pit.
    But its so small it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar, of gravel truck work around BC.

    Its mostly road building, some pipeline Work, towns doing infastructure.

    We have trucks that I see around from several other provinces, and several states.
    I see trucks regularly with idaho plates.
    The storm that destroyed my yard and did severe damage to my house, took out not hundres, but thousands of miles of roads, water and sewer lines, electrical grid, and washed away umpteen thousands of homes.
    The road to my place was best done by kayak, and my pit, yard, and more had to have 2 feet of mud scraped off them.
    Part of our house collapsed, and there was 5 feet of mud and water in my basement not to mention a wall was gone, part of the roof, and the living room floor was a 16 foot wide chasm. My wife is still traumatized by watching her home and yard get destroyed, she works so hard to keep it perfect.

    Trucks not in my yard, couldn't get to it, and trucks here couldn't get out.
    The dip in the road was under about 10 feet of water, we took the kayaks down, and paddled from side to side.
    The damage in just my pit alone was almost a million dollars, and the final tab on our house and yard was $318k.

    My quad is still missing, without a trace, that was parked in my yard.
    We had nothing but generator power for 29 days.
     
  7. Oxbow

    Oxbow Road Train Member

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    You have been told ad nauseum how brokers are not to blame, by very knowledgeable and experienced people, yet you choose the victim card route.

    It is good to be thinking about such things, but to become defiant when your idea isn't well received will illicit the responses you've received.
     
  8. Oxbow

    Oxbow Road Train Member

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    That was quite a storm. Sorry for the loss, but hopefully no one you know was hurt.
     
  9. D.Tibbitt

    D.Tibbitt Road Train Member

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    now i havent been active on TTR maybe since 2018 or so ... but the broker hatred threads are at an all time high it seems like... which is interesting. because i think this is only the beginning. i dont think this #### is going to get better anytime soon... that is just my uneducated opinion though...
     
  10. REO6205

    REO6205 Road Train Member

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    Have you given any thought to opening a brokerage? I'll bet you'd be a natural.
     
  11. MartinFromBC

    MartinFromBC Road Train Member

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    For the life of me, I cannot figure out how the brokers are to blame.

    Nor trucking companies, nor shippers.

    Nobody has to work for any of them.

    My employees don't have guns to their heads, making them stay, neither do drivers of other companies.
    Brokers don't hold drivers at gun point, shippers don't hold brokers or drivers at gun point.
    If I mess up the price on a load, and lose money, or just break even, nobody is to blame except myself.

    Blaming others for no reason, seems to be a new thing, somewhat the last 10 years, but especially the last 2 years.

    Pretty soon I'll be able to blame some child in Chile, for my coffee being to hot here.
     
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