Ltl- tandem placement in snow conditions.

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  1. JMac86

    JMac86 Bobtail Member

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    This is my first winter driving. Picked up a 53' trailer today that was 25k. The whole load was in the front half of the trailer. My question is would you leave your tandems to the rear or slide them forward some to get a little more weight on them for braking? Road conditions were mainly wet with some snow and slush here and there.
     
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  3. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    I would put trailer tandems pretty far forward.
    BTW it's often not legal to pull a 53 ft trailer on public roads with tandems slid all the way to the rear. Lots of new drivers have never learned this.
     
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  4. JMac86

    JMac86 Bobtail Member

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    I slid them pretty far forward and did not have any issues but when I got back to the yard I asked a older driver and he said he would have left the tandems nearly all the way back no matter what because of the road conditions. I was thinking if I had to brake hard the tandems would just lock up on me if I left them nearly all the way back. I was aware that they couldn't be fully to the rear. Thanks for the input
     
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  5. ducnut

    ducnut Road Train Member

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    Trailer has ABS, so it’ll be a chattery skid, if it does.

    I run like you were loaded, all the time, but, even less weight (empty, plastic auto part totes and trays). I leave the tandems slid all the way forward. The weight is already on the nose. Sliding the tandems way back isn’t going to transfer more weight, because there’s very little weight in the rear of the trailer to get out from under; only empty trailer. You can’t transfer weight, if there’s no weight back there to transfer.
     
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  6. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    You are correct that tandems to the rear on a lightly loaded trailer will not be as effective in braking as tandems slid forward. ABS is supposed to prevent brakes locking up, but weight on the tandems improves braking. Sliding tandems to the rear transfers weight onto the drive axles and away from the trailer tandems. You did the right thing.
     
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    North Pole Nightmare Medium Load Member

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    Aim for 60% on the drives and 40% on the trailer tandems.Scale it,Dont get your tandems back too far.
     
  8. Brettj3876

    Brettj3876 Road Train Member

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    Leave the tandems slid up all the way.

    25-30k is perfect for snowy conditions if it's spread out evenly. Enough to get you some traction and not push you down the hills too fast
     
  9. Opendeckin

    Opendeckin Medium Load Member

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    The old timer was correct. Besides having better traction on your drives which you might need to make it up a steep road having the tandems slid back means it takes longer to jackknife which gives you more time to respond.
     
  10. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    The Jack knife that bites isn't the trailer coming around, it's the tractor going sideways, and where the trailer tandems are won't affect the speed of that. Even shortened up, trailer rotation speed is very slow compared to the tractor jackknifing.

    OP, just avoid having the trailer heavier than the drives. I prefer have a slight bias towards the drives (couple thousand pounds) as that gives better traction while leaving enough weight on the trailer to keep your braking traction levels decently balanced. It's how we did it pre-ABS because it offered the best balance of traction and stability.
     
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