C.R. England and Sons, Inc. - West Valley, Ut.

I didn't go with a new truck. I bought a used 2008 Cascadia that had come off a 3 year lease at CRE. The truck booked at $70,000. CRE sold it to me for a song...

It's harder to make money with a new truck in my opinion...


REYJAC

 

Sorry, I was just trying to help. BTW, by owning the truck, I don't pay variable miles. But I guess the experienced guys on this forum already know that...

REYJAC

 

Your saying the same stuff he said. Care to back it up? Pride is a good company. Good miles, great equipment, no payroll problems, etc.

Now if you have something specific to present lets hear it, if not have a coke and a and take a seat next to Drvrtech77.

 

First and foremost --- a (Somewhat) Belated Welcome to the forums, jr4488.

I'm thinkin' Title Of Ownership --- sounds better. Pink slip sounds like a lay-off.

I don't recall any actual owners posting here before.
When you own it, are you still subjected to Company speed limitations?

I have a problem with that, ........ but that's my opinion.

That's a good feelin' no matter how many times it's received. But don't let it go to your head. Having been a driver trainer myself, I'm aware that many, if not most, trainees are inclined to be generous with their positive comments, sometimes to the point of bein' un-favorably overly favorable. Not to say un-deserved though.

That's a relief.
What determines whether a trainer will be a Phase I or Phase II?

If it ain't broke,
don't fix it.
I wish you continued success.

OH!
BTW, thanx for answerin' my questions as asked.
That doesn't happen very often, and is appreciated when it does.

WoW!
I don't suppose you have the sheet music for that song you sang?

Is that something Joe Average NewBee could take advantage of also? Or just a matter of bein' in the right place at the right time with the ability to do that?

With the right not new Big truck, --- driven properly, your opinion could be valid.

I did not know that.
Thanx again.

 

I'm not sure what the company policy is for owners and speed. My truck was sold to me by Horizon Leasing with 13 speeds , a moveable 5th wheel and a 75 mph governor.

I cruise at about 63 mph most of the time ( best fuel economy ) unless I am running late at which time I'll run the posted speed limit. If I run 70+ mph, I get a Qualcomm message and I have to call safety and apologize.

Horizon does not always have trucks for sale. You have to be in the right place at the right time. Because of this, I have already arranged to buy my next truck from a leasee whose lease expires in about a year and she is not planning to buy the truck...

REYJAC

 

75 mph truck, no 14 cpm variable mileage... and less than 1 year in the business? In trucking, period? You don't become exempt from the variable mileage charge until you have COMPLETED a full blown (not demo) lease.

I'm sorry, partner, but I'm done here - your story is full of holes. I'm thinking you work INSIDE the building (behind all the metal detectors), not OUTSIDE.

 

You could have easily checked with Horizon Leasing or talked to any one of several hundred drivers that have purchased a truck at CRE. But no, you had to call me a liar in public.

You are a very little man and what kind of idiot driver would do 4,500 miles in a week and only have $900.00 to show for it?

Log into your CRE account and type in the location finder for truck 96355. We need to talk face-to-face...

REYJAC

 

Seventy plus MPH to a desk driver is like breakin' the sound barrier.
How many apologies will safety allow before crackin' the whip of conformity? Or, do they just want you to acknowledge that you're aware of how fast you're goin' and leave it at that?

Was it strictly luck on your part, or did you have some inside info and/or pull?

That's not a bad idea at all. I assume the present L/O is takin' good care of the truck?

I don't know how many C.R. England related threads and posts you've read, or if you've read any of mine when I explain where I'm comin' from, so if I may, I'd like to make you aware of where I stand.

First, I have nothin' against any CRE drivers. No grudges what-so-ever. What I have a problem with is some of CRE's business practices, specifically those practices that seem to take advantage of their company drivers and especially their lease operators, --- at least some of them. There's a disproportionate number of posts that are critical of CRE. Many relate their unpleasant experiences and what their adventure cost them in time, money and personal property.

Maybe some of them brought it all on themselves, --- makin' mistakes, unprepared, lack of aptitude, ...... or any of a number of reasons. But not all. C.R. England has a rather unique business plan that seems to work for them. Unfortunately, that's not always the case for their drivers. Even if it's technically legal, I question the ethics of continuing a combined business practice that is known to be destructive to so many newBees. There's no way the powers that be CRE aren't aware of the fate of so many of their drivers, both company and lease. I don't know about the treatment of those who own their Big truck, but I'm hopin' you'll have the answers.

I would love to like C.R. England, the Company, with some of the nicest lookin' Big trucks on the road, --- but I can't. What I'd like to do is learn what it takes to succeed at CRE in hopes that others will be able to do the same. With few positive CRE posters, it's kinda difficult to find that kind of information. But I haven't given up.

From what I've read of your posts, I'm thinkin' that you're not the 'average' CRE applicant. I'd estimate you to be several rungs above 'average', with more on the ball. If you've had no prior Big truck truckin' experience, I'm wonderin' if you've had any experience owning and/or managing a business of any kind in the past? I'm assumin' you weren't financially strapped when you began your career change, as many seem to be. That's a hard way to start.

If you have any advice that you could pass along for those determined to go with CRE, and also want to make the grade, preferring not to be a wash-out, I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated. It makes my day when I read of our members successes. And bums me out to read things like I've read from those who went with CRE, or any company, and got the shabby end of the shaft treatment.

So, ............ I wish you clear skies and open roads with no delays, in hopes that'll leave you with ample time to continue posting here without cuttin' into your profits.
It's a pleasure conversin' with you.

 

Just called CRE - their trucks are ALL set at 63.

 

Last November, I was an unemployed 52 year old who could not get a job anywhere. I have a young family, lots of bills and frankly, things were feeling kind of hopeless. I'm a proud man and it's very hard for me when I can't take care of my family.

I read online that there was a shortage of truck drivers. I chose CRE because they transport mainly food and I figured it would be more recession proof. They had a half price deal for the training over the Christmas holidays, so I signed up fo $1,500.00.

My class in Mira Loma started with about 60 students. About 15 flunked out the first day over a bad drug test. Many of the rest did not have good reading, writing or math skills and some could not see their shoes when they look down. I was one of the top ten remaining in the class and we were separated from the rest of the class as part of an accelerated program called FLEX. I was immediately put in a truck with a trainer (Rafael) who had 8 years of experience and we drove for the Coca Cola account out of Los Angeles for about 10 days.

Then, I took another written and drivers test and assigned to another trainer ( Martin, with 4 years experience) for six weeks. I took another writtin and driving test in SLC . Finally, I was assigned to a third trainer who was brand new and had just gotten his truck, for 10 days (Nathan). I received what I consider to be first class training.

When I was in SLC a few weeks into training, I noticed that the lease return trucks show up on the back lot before being sold on the Horizon lot. I found a really cool truck with lots of upgrades and Horizon agreed to hold the truck for me for 30 days until I finished training and could purchase it.

I was assigned a DM (Sidney) who took a real interest in helping me be successful with my new business.

Bottom line is that CRE gave me a chance when nobody else would. For that I will always be grateful...

REYJAC


[QUOTE=AfterShock;1993043]Seventy plus MPH to a desk driver is like breakin' the sound barrier.
How many apologies will safety allow before crackin' the whip of conformity? Or, do they just want you to acknowledge that you're aware of how fast you're goin' and leave it at that?

Was it strictly luck on your part, or did you have some inside info and/or pull? That's not a bad idea at all. I assume the present L/O is takin' good care of the truck?

I don't know how many C.R. England related threads and posts you've read, or if you've read any of mine when I explain where I'm comin' from, so if I may, I'd like to make you aware of where I stand.

First, I have nothin' against any CRE drivers. No grudges what-so-ever. What I have a problem with is some of CRE's business practices, specifically those practices that seem to take advantage of their company drivers and especially their lease operators, --- at least some of them. There's a disproportionate number of posts that are critical of CRE. Many relate their unpleasant experiences and what their adventure cost them in time, money and personal property.

Maybe some of them brought it all on themselves, --- makin' mistakes, unprepared, lack of aptitude, ...... or any of a number of reasons. But not all. C.R. England has a rather unique business plan that seems to work for them. Unfortunately, that's not always the case for their drivers. Even if it's technically legal, I question the ethics of continuing a combined business practice that is known to be destructive to so many newBees. There's no way the powers that be CRE aren't aware of the fate of so many of their drivers, both company and lease. I don't know about the treatment of those who own their Big truck, but I'm hopin' you'll have the answers.

I would love to like C.R. England, the Company, with some of the nicest lookin' Big trucks on the road, --- but I can't. What I'd like to do is learn what it takes to succeed at CRE in hopes that others will be able to do the same. With few positive CRE posters, it's kinda difficult to find that kind of information. But I haven't given up.

From what I've read of your posts, I'm thinkin' that you're not the 'average' CRE applicant. I'd estimate you to be several rungs above 'average', with more on the ball. If you've had no prior Big truck truckin' experience, I'm wonderin' if you've had any experience owning and/or managing a business of any kind in the past? I'm assumin' you weren't financially strapped when you began your career change, as many seem to be. That's a hard way to start.

If you have any advice that you could pass along for those determined to go with CRE, and also want to make the grade, preferring not to be a wash-out, I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated. It makes my day when I read of our members successes. And bums me out to read things like I've read from those who went with CRE, or any company, and got the shabby end of the shaft treatment.

So, ............ I wish you clear skies and open roads with no delays, in hopes that'll leave you with ample time to continue posting here without cuttin' into your profits.
It's a pleasure conversin' with you.
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