NEW 10 Meter Radio

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by CHICKENMAN, Jun 16, 2010.

  1. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    The Comunication act of 1934 is the law under which the FCC was formed.

    Now as for "PUBLIC FREQUENCIES " You have CB, MURS, FRS and GMRS there is also part 15 which under you can experiment with low power devices

    The ITU sets the standards or bands and our FCC under them how and who can be licensed. You are free to BUY and USE any radio to which a license can be granted to you and lose this right if you obuse it.

    One band that this is a problem is the marine band Hunters and off the road users buy and use these radios all the time. Back about 20 years ago RV camps did this untill the FCC hit them with some big fines ...

    As bad as the FCC is this is what they are here to do keep order.
     
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  3. mike5511

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    I have no quarrel with the FCC. It would indeed be chaos without them. They showed some smarts when they gave up on CB radio. (stopped requiring license) It got way too big for them back then I guess. I guess I should put my old call letters on here somewhere, I still remember them and used them as required back then. The only time they do anything enforcement wise towards CB now is if they get a complaint. And they should do something if it's a valid complaint, i.e. interference complaints......with TVs, airports, and any other communications. I think they could care less if I talk on my twin final export radio w/250 watt linear (only in my PK, no linear in the big truck) from time to time.
     
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  4. WA4GCH

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    Mike ....

    You still have a license on CB it is not one issued to YOU .....
    The license thing was part of a reduction in paperwork act in the early 80's and had little to do with CB it's self they went to a blanket license.
     
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  5. Rat

    Rat Road Train Member

    Still did not answer the question as to why it would be consitutional. Just a bunch of excuses or ramblings about laws etc.

    You chances of dieing due to a high powered radio are much much less then dieing while driving down the roads. As far as electricity. LOL I have alot of outlets in my house and some are 220 etc. yet to have been killed muchless tickled by electric shock. But then I use common sense and don't shove objects into the outlets.

    There are people running 1000s of watts on 11 meter. I don't hear of many of them dieing off due to the output.

    As far as 10 meters. I listen often, don't ever hear squat. Once and awhile I will come across a channel with some beeps coming over the air. This tells me that 10 meters is mostly dead especially locally. One of the reasons why I think it idiotic to outlaw 10 meter export radios all together.

    My connex have bands from A to D (I think) and 40 different channels for each band along with a 10K switch adding more possiblilities. Yeap that is alot of dead frequencies not being used by ANYONE.
     
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  6. Happy_Hamer

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    Answers in bold


     
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  7. Big_m

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    The FCC can and does already issue fines at that level and more. The DOT here in Maryland have givin a few Drivers that type of fines ($7,500 - $10,000) under the FCC rules. For just having an Export radio in the truck without a Ham ticket. Fines can be up to $25,000 for each piece of equpment such as a radio and/or Amp.
     
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  8. AB7IF

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    "The DOT here in Maryland have givin a few Drivers that type of fines ($7,500 - $10,000) under the FCC rules. For just having an Export radio in the truck without a Ham ticket."

    Anyone who pays this rather than fight to the bitter end in Federal Court is an idiot. Where is the 'and/or other evidence'? Without such evidence the DOT may be giving tickets but only stupid SOB's are paying them. There are so many constitutional issues over such fines for mere possession without proof of use it is not even funny. ASAIK DOT are not sworn state or federal officers meaning they did not take an oath of office to uphold a state or federal constitution. What they likely are doing is coming up with 'civil' forfeitures as opposed to criminal violations of state or federal law. Congress may have allowed authority to trend to the states but all along without the 'other evidence' a criminal case cannot be made. To save a driver from the legal fees needed for defense it would be smart to get a minimum ham ticket. Especially since now days my dead dog could pass the test and it costs almost nothing. If you study law carefully you will see that states as separate entities cannot pass criminal legislation involving an international convention, the basis of modern federal laws governing radio. All along even before the bill in question even FCC field agents never were given the authority to enforce said law on the basis of criminal acts. Meaning in short even they still require the presence of a federal marshal in possession of a federal warrant signed by a federal judge, for the specific event in question. This is something I have long wondered over, why someone with deep enough pockets or even the ACLU has never taken the government all the way to the supreme court over this subject. They get away with it because they instill fear in the people and that is that. The entire system can be seen as corrupt as evidenced by page 108 of the FCC field operations manual as it read in the mid 80's. In short 'ascertain the monetary value of the subject in question to decide whether or not the individual appears to possess money or property which would make enforcement action worthwhile'. Little could point out more clearly the level of unconstitutionality of the entire system.
     
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  9. Rat

    Rat Road Train Member

    Still does not make it constitutional.

    The power limit laws for 11 meters are rediculous at best. 4 watts legal is crazy. It is like being limited to a 50 CC engine on a motorcycle. There are thousands, if not more, running 100-400 watts and they have yet to be killed or seriously injured. My palomar puts me around that 400 mark. My hair doesn't stand on end or anything. Don't even feel a tingle when it is on and I am transmitting. heck there are people running in excess of 900-1000 watts and I don't hear about any brain matter being cooked because of it.

    There are many many frequencies that are going about unused or dead air. I mean there are frequencies that drivers could use for longer comunications without the need of mile high antennas and huge boxes under their bunks. But no, you have to have a special liscense to use them. Personally, I would be perfectly happy with a 5 inch rubber ducky antenna on the roof of the truck and running a small powered rig. Some of these handheld comunicators will outperform a stock CB with the best possible antenna setup. I am not up to speed on the antenna requirments of these setups.

    All I know is that the general public is being heavily limited by old age laws when it comes to radio useage.

    As far as a ham ticket, well I have no need for one. Everyone I know runs 1 radio in their truck not multiple rigs. I want 1 radio in my truck and not multiple rigs. Kind of a do it all type thing. The Export radios are a step in the right direction for me but most don't have them because of stupid idiotic laws or rules.

    You hams have so many options as far as frequencies but you all get your panties in a wad over export radios because they can go on the 10 meter side.

    Oh and some say that 11 meter has so many channels that go begging to be used. Well I ran through all the channels on my cobra the other day and they were all being used by someone. Yeap all 40 channels had chatter on them. And you wonder why people look for other channels to be installed on their radios.


    There are far more dangerous hobbies then high powered radios. I did not have to be taught about the busines end of firearms. Yes I am an avid shooter.


    Oh if you want a real jolt, accidentally place your hand on top of a coil pack on a distributor less ignition car. The coil pack on the old 3800 GMs would set you back in your seat in a heart beat.
     
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  10. WA4GCH

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    " There are so many constitutional issues over such fines for mere possession without proof of use it is not even funny."

    That I agree on .
     
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