A Question of Ethics and Emissions

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by SmoothShifter, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    seems to me emission laws are a kind of politics. They want us not to depend on iported fuel and the way is to use alternative power, like CNG, LiPo batteries, H2 cells and these technologies go cheaper every day, but to stop development of the alternative power oil exporters may play price dumping game and it will not be usefull becouse to follow future regulations we have to use electric power in cars and trucks.
     
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  3. Licensed to kill

    Licensed to kill Heavy Load Member

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    I fail to see the logic in using a food source to make fuel in a world with so many starving people.
     
  4. kubotaorange76

    kubotaorange76 Light Load Member

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    EPA has gotten way too big for their britches
     
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  5. SmoothShifter

    SmoothShifter Defender of the Driveline

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    I fail to see it as well, especially since we have shifted demographics in food production from the small farmer to industrialized factory farming which in essence, consumes more fuel. Chew on that one for a while.

    Most people have very little empathy towards starving people unless at one point or another in their lives, they have gone hungry themselves.
     
  6. kind

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    I'm not talking about cutting more trees down. It makes no sense to cut down our largest consumer of our pollutants.

    The world isn't starving because we don't have the means to grow food. It's starving because it makes a very select few more rich and more powerful.

    There is a study that showed all of the U.S energy needs can be supplied only using 7% of current farm land if we use barrel hemp.

    F.Y.I hemp is the most complete food source, as well grows everywhere except the north and south poles... ending any food crises we currently endure.

    Barrel hemp, although not well know is the natural hemp, not the genetically modified low thc hemp we all know about. In the process of trying to keep an already low thc producing cannabis derivative even lower, it cuts back on seed production, therefor cutting back on oil production. As well as skewing any current test trying to indicate yield production. Barrel hemp also needs not pesticides or herbicides to grow, as it out grows any nuisance weeds in a mater of weeks. It's basically the easiest crop in the world to grow... Plant, wait 4 to 5 months, harvest 14ft tall plants.

    Hemp as well as being a very tall gower, creates very deep roots. For every foot you see above ground, there are roots growing just as deep under the surface. Aerating the soil very affectively creating less need for summer follows. Allowing more crops to be gown consecutively. In parts of the world with favourable climates hemp can be grown year round.

    It seems as though by lumping hemp in with weeds criminal ties and playing on peoples fears, they have created blinders to a very very productive plant.

    Hemp as well consumes as much pollutants as it grows annually as it expels during combustion, therefor creating a closed cycle. leaving the massive trees to clean up the rest.
     
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  7. droy

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    Couple of things you posted have me curious,

    (1) Were the pollution controls that started in 1970 class specific, ie, aimed at Class 8 trucks?
    I'm vaguely aware of the pollution laws targeting gasoline engines in passenger engines; Did EPA also go after diesel engines at that time?

    (2) Valve jobs due to sulfur in fuel? I can remember learning to operate one of my dad's first trucks, a 1966 GMC 9500 with the Detroit 6-71 (238 big horses, lol). I can also remember getting "drafted" to help in the shop too often for my liking. I CANNOT remember valve jobs due to sulfur on that truck, or any of the dozens of others that his "small fleet" trucking company owned up until his retirement in 2004. In all honesty, in my little world, I had never heard of valve or turbo damage due to sulfur, or sulfur chunks coming loose.

    Your "caution" about getting soft and fuzzy for the 350 engines of that day is another puzzlement; Once again, referring back to my little world, it was not uncommon for trucks in that 350 hp era to go a million or more miles, doing a bottom end at the 500k mark. This was in the day when the quality of oils, and wear parts, such as bearings, was not near today's standards. As a retired mechanic, I think you have to agree the hotter temperatures the newer engines run does not help their life expectancy, nor their owners bottom line. As everyone knows, the higher temps are there to burn off the pollutants, and I guess it helps insure job security for the mechanics, eh?
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  8. Frenzy

    Frenzy Medium Load Member

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    Starvation is almost always a matter of income, not food production.
     
  9. V8Lenny

    V8Lenny Road Train Member

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    No they are not, it's just a byproduct of inefficient and slow combustion. Combustion temps must be kept low to create less NOx, low combustion temp makes fuel burn slowly and that way creates high EGTs, wasting energy out of cylinder. If combustion temps were high enough there would be no particles or unburned hydrocarbons but lot's of NOx.
     
  10. ENR

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    I have a file that should be in the ballpark of 500 hp 2000 lbs. I'm pulling b-trains at 139000 # day in and out and I have a driver do half my miles so to much HP can be abusive.

    I like the performance and functionality of the unit. The customer support of the Bully Dog tech department can be a bit of a pain to nail down, but thats really all I have to complain about.

    If you just use one of the 2 precanned tunes that come on the downloader thing are more simple. I found the "economy " wasn't enough juice and the " economy with power " was to much. So I had them send me one in the middle.

    My fuel economy improved a minimum of 5% and the truck pulls nice.
     
  11. JohnP3

    JohnP3 Road Train Member

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    Sulphur would coat the valves so they did not cool and they burnt, when you pulled the head off the piston crowns would have a coating of sulphur on them when a chunk came off it would destroy the turbo.
    The pollution laws did come into effect in 1970 I have a Detroit book that shows the specs.
    The old engines and the 350's were the big ones , did not last anywhere near a million, in this area we have mountains.
     
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