For Those Who Went From Paper Logs to Electronic

Because detention pay is from arriving till departing the receiver/shipper.A certain time is allowed.

Nobody says you have to be on duty all that time.
Only when you do "stuff" related to unloading/loading do you have to be on duty.

Like anj8488 stated:

 

but, given the fact you can't stop your 14. that basically left me 4 hours to drive. CORRECT???????????
you log off duty so that don't count towards your 70. but you still can't stop the 14.

and theoretcially. we're not going home. we're going to deliver that next load. so leave home out of the equation. becuase most drivers aren't home on the weekends.

 

because detention pay is for holding the equipment up longer than the agreed upon time. Has NOTHING to do with the driver. And one does NOT have to be on duty to be paid for his time.

 

yes snowy, you are partially correct... you would have 4 hours to drive for that 14 hour period... you can extend the 14 hour clock with 8 hours in the sleeper... and we all know you did NOT start your 14 hour clock until after you were loaded so that you would have 11 hours to drive, after being up since 0600 that morning. So you were awake for 21+ hours.

 

you forgot TWO things there slick.

#1, i didn't say what time i got loaded or anything. i simply asked how it would be done on the box.

#2. how can i start my load time when i have nothing to show for being unloaded. don't you think i need to get UNLOADED before getting LOADED.

AND, i said left truckstop at 630 arrived at receiver, left receiver, arrived at shipper.

DID I NOT???????????????????

and where do you get me being awake for 21+ hours? i left the truckstop in the morning at teh specified time.

i didn't make any reference to what happened BEFORE that time as it was irrelevant to the question i asked.

but if you think i drove all day and all night to make that morning delivery. you might want to rethink that idea. cuz i picked up wednesday afternoon for a 900 mile delivery friday morning. over 36 hours to make a 18 hour drive.


BUT, how I LOGGED IT is irrelevant to the question. i asked how it would be done on the box.

 

The crux of the biscuit is that your 14 would have been rolling as soon as you moved the truck out of the TS the first time... unless you could have idled over to the receiver.


Some of your other assumptions are erroneous.

The point being made was that it is dishonest (and illegal) to log sleeper if you're in the truckstop buying a candy bar. Nobody says you can't change your status to off duty and go buy all the candy bars your heart desires.

There's nothing to stop you logging downtime in the middle of your 14 as sleeper or off duty. The only thing you can't get away with is driving for any appreciable length of time and logging that as sleeper or off duty.

 

for starters. my assumptions aren't erroneous. they are quotes from another post by someone else.

i log the way i log and no officer has made a comment yet. straight 10 in the sleeper. only time i actually use off duty is hometime for my 34 or downtime.
off duty means just that. it's my govt mandated break time. it's my time. and no one's business. if i take a 10 sleeper and go buy a candy bar. i'm still where i'm supposed to be taking my break.

that's like telling the ladies "well you claimed you took 10 in the sleeper. but what were you doing in the bathroom in the middle of your sleeper break" aren't you supposed to stay in the sleeper

i understand the downtime in the middle of a 14. i asked how it works with the box. because you can't stop the 14 once it starts. unless you take another 10 or a split.

so once that 14 starts. you can flag down all you want. but still have to drive from receiver to shipper to reload. so even though you flgged down. by the time your unloaded and reloaded. 10 hours is still used up. wether it was on on duty or off duty. still only giving you 4 hours to drive.

 

We can all keep arguing about it but the differences in opinion are simple. The ones who choose go run illegal hate them.

 

My logbook looks good. No DOT officer has ever had a problem with my log book. I know how to make it look legal.

These are all statements that don't make what you are doing legal.


If I get held up at a customer or any problem out of my control, it's all legally logged electronically. My company can't force me to run it illegally, they can't blame me. They have to work with me. Either reschedule the appointment or repower the load. My company now has evidence and GPS data that says I was at that customer for x amount of time, and if they have a problem with delays on delivery, they need to honor their appointments with a reasonable expectation of service to the truck (product delays, loading etc.)

Conversely there is an electronic evidence if I'm slacking off in a truckstop or not using my time wisely. However I still get my 10 break or a split. I don't need anymore down time. I'm here to run and turn miles. If I wanted more time to relax, I'd get a job at home. I don't relish being away from home, but if I am a want to be making money.

My loads are better planned, I run more miles, dispatch isn't asking me what I can do as they can already see my log.

Finally, no one is calling me in the middle of my break to see if I can be a "team player" and move a load I know I can't do legally. Talk about going from 60 to zero in that dept on the first day of Elogs.

 

Better read what you posted, loaded, strapped, bills in hand at 1615.
Just by your attitude, you then started your 14 hour clock and drove your 11 hours. Yes an assumption. And that would put you over 21 hours from your 0600 start time.

And it is this exact reason the box is now a mandated law.