Question about a 42,600lb RV wrapped with a commercial advert

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Britman, Aug 25, 2012.

  1. Britman

    Britman Bobtail Member

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    I've got a new job driving a Triffin Phaeton 42 foot 6 inch motorcoach.

    I have a Class B with passenger and air brakes.

    The coach has been wrapped with a graphic design featuring a snack food.

    Does the wrap now make this a "commercial" vehicle with the restrictions a "regular" commercial vehicle has to adhere to?

    If so does this make a CLASS A NECESSARY TO DRIVE THIS RV?
     
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  3. Gizmo_Man

    Gizmo_Man Road Train Member

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    how is the vehicle plated..??

    if it already has commercial plates, its a commercial vehicle, other wise, if it is plated as a "recreational" (or camper) vehicle, you can blow by scales.

    advertising means nothing, it is how it is registered/plated.
     
  4. andre

    andre Medium Load Member

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    It's not a combination vehicle, so you should be fine.

    Here's a cut and paste:
    A Class B license entails the driver to operate vehicles weighing over 26,000 pounds (11793 kg) in addition to any of the vehicles contained in Class C. Class B license also allows the holder to drive buses, farm labor vehicles, and any housecar or trailer over under 45 feet (14 m). The final Class Type is A, which is essentially the same as Class B license, except that drivers are allowed to operate truck tractor-semi trailer combinations. With a Class B license, a driver is not allowed to pull a trailing unit weighing over 10,000 pounds (4536 kg); with an A license, he can.
     
  5. skateboardman

    skateboardman Road Train Member

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    no, it doesnt make it a commercial vehicle. it is only an advertising gimmick. but your class b are fine for the bus anyway. relax and enjou the ride
     
  6. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    The advertising wrapped around the RV/motorcoach means money is changing hands...you're a rolling billboard for something, so even though it is basically just an RV, it is being used for commercial purposes so a CDL would be required. If it has RV tags on it, it is improperly registered...and that is enough to be pulled over and a citation issued.

    If you are a for-hire driver of a vehicle in excess of 26,000#, you'll need a CDL. However, if it is JUST a motorcoach, and you are not pulling a trailer exceeding 10,000 pounds behind it, then a class B CDL is all you would need.

    You'll still be bound by the HOS regulations, but since it is a passenger vehicle you get to play under the OLD rules...10 hours driving, 8 hour break, 15 hour clock that ONLY counts on-duty and driving time. Off duty time stops the 15 hour clock.

    The rest of the regulations pertaining to the operation of a CMV will also apply...

    I've never driven a passenger vehicle OTR to know whether you'll have to hit the scales or not...that probably varies from state to state. I've never seen a greyhound or any other bus hit the scales, but occasionally do see "buses weigh" signs at the entrance to a scale.
     
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  7. stinger6975

    stinger6975 Bobtail Member

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    Make sure that you have a current Medical Card, the popo will ask for that to try and catch you without one. They don't usually weigh buses but they will inspect them and the driver
     
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  8. Junkyard Johnney

    Junkyard Johnney Light Load Member

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    Why ask us a legality question that is so hazy like that? We don't write the tickets. If it is a weight question or equipment or something like that ya, I would strongly suggest that you talk to the DOT boys no matter how much none of us want to do that and get it straight from them. Know your facts, are you Interstate or Intrastate? If you are being paid to drive it, it is a commercial vehicle of some sort or at minimum a commercial job. If you are driving something that large you are hauling something yes? A person or persons? Products? Or maybe just moving it to location to be used again. When I worked for the motion picture industry as an Electric Truck driver I did not haul products for sale but equipment for the jobs, it was the same thing, CDL required. Ask someone in the DOT before you drive to know what is required, you do not want to be sitting along side the road responsible for someones motorcoach and be shutdown because you are operating illegally do you?
    Ask the right person, know your job, know your equipment. I do not think that when pulled over by the cops for something that- "well gee officer so and so on the Truckers Report Forum said I could do this".......is going to fly.....do you?
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  9. vinsanity

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    As has been said, your class B is fine.

    I do disagree with what was said about the wrap making it a commercial vehicle. What about those companies that wrap cars? Those cars don't have to be registered as a commercial vehicle. It's just advertising.
     
  10. Junkyard Johnney

    Junkyard Johnney Light Load Member

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    A car does not weight 35,000 pounds with tandem rear axles either, our motion picture equipment trucks did not have anything on it either but company names, it was what we were doing and the size and axle arrangements, ect ect ect. I do not have a DOT man phobea, he is just another man, I will talk to the guy and ask any question I want it is not a problem, then I have the facts, the problem I do not want is being shutdown because I missed some stupid detail, which you always do anyway because there is no way to be 100% legal cant be done, all I am saying is get the facts from the guys that write the tickets. We went to the DMV to get our CDL right ? and we asked right?
     
  11. Roadmedic

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    You have a job driving this.


    If you own an RV with the signs on it, you can drive it with your own license.

    If you go to work at a company that moves RV's then you are a commercial driver. If the vehicle is over 26,000 then a cdl is required.

    This means that you are a commercial driver with this. It would also be a commercial vehicle with the requirement of the CDL.
     
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