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Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Oram, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. sdaniel

    sdaniel Road Train Member

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    It works , but not it every job. Some jobs will need a twin screw , and may be full lockers. Not for everybody. In jobs that it can work in it does wonderful. We ran that set up back in the eighties.
     
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  3. Ramblin' Man

    Ramblin' Man Light Load Member

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    It works great on waste management vehicles, and thats about it. Putting this nonsense on OTR trucks is a crime against safety
     
  4. Oram

    Oram Medium Load Member

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    Well, the world is changing, wheter you like it or not. And not because the previous generations were stupid, but because this is the way how humans are evolving. In the fifties the fuel price was not issue, but it is now in big ways. If you think for this challenge the only answer to raise our milage rate, than I can not really say anything to you. What I know for sure, last year I spent 60,000$ on fuel and if I can save save 10%, that is 6,000$ in my pocket every single year. There are several ways to save fuel and the Europians are ahead of us in this. Not because they are smarter or better, but because of the high fuel price there, they were forced to have their answer for the challenge sooner. And if I can use someone experience to reach my goal, I do not mind this is old farmer Joe from the fifties, driver from Europe or someone from the moon, I will consider it and use it if I find it usefull. I think to refuse it without open minded thinking is just as dam idea than throw things into our trucks mindlessly. So if you are interested in pointless arguments to satisfy your testosteron level, please start your own tread.
     
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  5. sdaniel

    sdaniel Road Train Member

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    Now take that 6000 savings and think there are people with 2,5,10, 50,100 to 15000 trucks. The idea works. Just not for every job. We had a fleet of 86 models with a tag axle. We did not have lockers, wish we had. Could have gotten better fuel mileage with a lift. But then the extra 8 grand per truck was a factor ( pay back was longer at .80 gal fuel). Ice I would rather have those tags back. No spinning sideways . Wish with the computers and how aero advanced since then , we could beat what our fleet got in mileage in 86!
     
  6. Ramblin' Man

    Ramblin' Man Light Load Member

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    There is no way you could save 10% in fuel just by using different axle configuration, you are being lied. And there was once euroean Renault Magnum truck in US for a promotional tour and drivers were shocked how hard it is to drive here on fuel. They were under 6 mpg. Their solution are for their markets, laws, weights and speeds. I got nothing against you all except when I have to deal with your unsafe trucks in Wyoming where they are nothing but danger. Here is another testimony from Conway driver:

    As for the tags? My cousin works for International as an engineer. He said CWTL missed the boat. Our trailers have a 36 inch deep kingpin which doesn't allow for enough weight to be over the dead axle. CWTL's solution to this was to move the 5th wheel 2" forward which throws the balance of the truck off. There are 5 companys running tags and they all had to buy trailers with 42" kingpins. Mesilla Valley runs tags. (The Greenway Initiative truck page) Also, a 10 speed has always had more torque. There's no dividing the power band like with a 13.
    We're lab rats for a changing industry. I run team and I'm shut down enough due to winter weather. My truck will be traded in in November and I've made my choice. I can't control the what ifs, but I can control the level of stress I'll endure this winter.
    Stay safe.

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    I was told they'd pushed the kingpin forward 4", but whatever, it's obvious they missed the boat. I was slipping along on an icy road between Rawlins and Wamsutter. I advised the company I had never been so scared in my life, especially as I'm losing speed, and running out of gears, and not due to weight. Their response was, well you should have shut down then. Everywhere I was had icy off ramps to no known destination for trucks, so I would have been stuck anyway. CWTL don't give a ** about driver safety, they just give a ** about fuel economy and anything else that makes them money, and drivers are nothing short of a commodity to hire and fire as they please.



    And there reason you are not making any money at trucking have nothing to do with fuel costs and everything to do with not having clue how this business works and quit dealing with mega fleets
     
  7. sdaniel

    sdaniel Road Train Member

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    International ? We all know how well they do their job! But figure a mile per gal is about 200 a week per truck. MVT is getting in the 9s . If you are getting 6 , they are making 600 more per week ,per truck. See them all over. It's more then just axle set up . But it's a big part .
     
  8. Ramblin' Man

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    They haul lightest loads there are and thats why. I go 70mph empty and still get 7.2 mpg. Single drive could be half percent if anything. It's all BS and they doing this to cut the purchase price avoiding paying for live axle. You are naive
     
  9. sdaniel

    sdaniel Road Train Member

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    Yeah what was I thinking . Only used the set up for 6 years . 100 of them for 1000 miles a day 365 days a year getting above 10 mpg . So yeah I have no idea! So I am naive ? Grow up.
     
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  10. Oram

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    I am sorry if I was confusing. The 10% was just an example, the 6X2 with rolling dead axle itself brings only about two percent, the highest estimate what I have heard 2-4%.
    Anyway, you are hitting the dead horse here. I gave up the 6X2 idea, because I think what we have here right now under development, does not worth the 2% fuel saving and the trouble. But it does not mean the whole idea is bad.
    Maybe I have no idea about the trucking business, but you know what, I do not care. In the last 13 years I made a good living out of it, I paid off my first truck, I pay 80% cash for my second truck. So thank you, I am fine, I do not need your lecture.:biggrin_255:
     
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  11. Ramblin' Man

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    they do a lot more than single screw to get good mileage. Then they replace their trucks when start falling apart at low miles. I wanna see single o/o who could afford that kinda "mileage savings". Its different math for 1000's trucks and different when you have one - you will get it one day
     
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