Why do we let them get away with it? And why doesn't the government protect drivers

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by lockednloaded, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. cowboy_tech

    cowboy_tech Road Train Member

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    Dedicated account with chemical tanker.

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  3. airforcetoo

    airforcetoo Heavy Load Member

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    Nice! So account means not the same places but same company right?
     
  4. cowboy_tech

    cowboy_tech Road Train Member

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    Yes, so my weeks very between 1000 mi to 3800. The average is closer to 2400 mi.

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  5. Ghost Ryder

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    Because drivers want to call themselves 'professionals'.

    BTW, I only drive 600 miles a week.
     
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  6. cowboy_tech

    cowboy_tech Road Train Member

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    When I was driving out of the Target dc in Pueblo, I was in a daycab and home every night. I was working six days a week fighting city traffic. I make the same now working four days and occasionally have to deal with traffic.

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  7. lockednloaded

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    Here are some changes I feel are needed in trucking.

    labor laws:

    All employees that are not government employees, contract employees (collective bargaining), or salaried management should have and expect the protection of the FLSA. After all truckers are human beings and should be treated at least as well as other workers considering the sacrifices made to work in this industry.

    This would mean the following; drivers would be paid for all work performed including time to get to orientation, time for paperwork, time for physicals, time to fuel (yeah even if it takes over an hour to get to the pump), time to pti, time to wait at shippers and receivers, even time to babysit equipment and loads (layover). If you are in the employers truck and are not on a required break you should be getting paid.

    Abolish per diem as used by transportation industry. It unfairly favors the employers in the industry. It is not a win for the worker in the long run. It slightly increases take-home pay while reducing the amount paid and matched for FICA and also reduces the basis that payments like unemployment and workers compensation are made. It should be handled like the rest of the business world handles it by providing the $52 per day directly to the driver for expenses such as food and showers on a tax free basis. eg: When I was in retail management and I was away on business my employer was required to pay for lodging and wages as well as a stipend for meals and miscellaneous expenses. The wages had to include time to travel to and from the jobsite if over 50 miles and if I used my own vehicle had to pay me mileage for all miles to get there and back as well as any miles driven to go from hotel to site of to get meals. They didn't do this because they were nice they did it because it is the law. This was paid to me on a tax free basis because it was an expense that the company had for my employment.

    The same should be required of the transportation employers.

    HOS

    Abolish split breaks completely. Most of the larger companies prohibit using these anyway(even using e-logs).

    Further limit employers from shift changes using these rules.

    Increase the 14 hour rule(window) to a 16 hour window during which the driver may use a 2 hour line 1 or 2 break for shower and meal or to rest while waiting for congestion to dissipate. This would allow driver to avoid the busiest times on the highways mitigating risk and maximizing travel times.

    Once a Driver begins a shift they may not change out side of a two hour window until a 34 hour reset is achieved.
    Example: Driver starts day at 6am after driving 11 hours and loading, emptying out and waiting the driver must stop driving by 8pm. The driver must complete a minimum break of 10 hours. Regardless of when the break has started for the remainder of the shifts and until the next reset the driving window must fall between 4 am and 10 pm (yes I realize this is an 18 hour window doesn't change the 11 or 16 rule)or the requirement for a 10 hour rest. This prevents employers from mid week shift changes that require drivers to operate when then haven't gotten quality rest.

    It has been my misfortune to work for several companies that commonly used the following practice (yeah even on e-logs). First of all it is against hos rules unless a full 10 hour rest break is taken either before or after the emptying process(Yeah could be a split).

    Scheduling deliveries while the driver was mid-break. Let me further explain a driver has the legal hours to pick up the load and get it to the consignee in the required time frame and has the space and permission to park at the consignee. The delivery is scheduled for 2-9 hours after arrival at the consignee. The driver did not arrive at the consignee until they were at or near the end of their 16 hour window. Now we all know it is legal for the driver to be required to complete the delivery and start his or her break minimum 10 hours at the end of the delivery process. We also know that the employers expect that this break will begin when the driver arrives and end roughly 10 hours later. There needs to be a severe penalty in place to prevent this imho. Here is my suggestion: Lets make a dispatcher or load planner and their immediate supervisor personally responsible as well. How about a $1000 dollar fine and 30 days in jail for 1st offense. 2nd offense $10000 fine and 1 year in jail. 3rd offense in a company, loss of operating authority for 7 days. Do it again and you lose it forever. (can you tell how strongly I feel about this?)

    Now how about helping the entire country.

    I am a conscientious driver and do a good pti but I am not a mechanic. Here are some of the issues in drivers doing pre and post trip inspections. Inclement weather, urine soaked parking lots, inadequate lighting (can only see so much with a flashlight). Yeah we can inspect lights, tires, check for leaks and an in cab inspection. We can make sure the truck and trailer are properly connected and listen for leaks. We can do a leakdown test and brake test make sure there are steel valve caps and gaskets on the tethered fuel caps. Actually getting under a truck, to check stroke on a slack adjuster? Probably not gonna happen very often. IMHO this should be a mechanics job and I don't mean an employee of the company that owns the truck.

    Now I realize this is a stretch but How about creating an Industry of Federally Licensed inspectors that only inspect not repair trucks and trailers and not penalize drivers or companies? It would work on a pass or fail basis. If egregiously unsafe conditions exist the truck or trailer could be placed out of service and a tow required to a repair facility. Now how about requiring inspections every 90 days or at a minimum every 6 months? Would we be safer? Would our families and friends be safer? How many time have you or I had to argue that a truck or trailer was oos to a company repair facility? From tires that had visible cord showing to windows taped shut with duct tape to door handles that did not function or blower motors that did not spin. Even transport j hooks installed in break cans rendering brakes inoperable.

    Just a few thoughts I thought I would share.

    These changes would not hinder the drivers ability to make money. They would definitely make the companies plan better. They would make the highways and bi-ways safer.

    I am not an uneducated person and know these changes would be expense for employers. Here is the saving grace if you are an owner operator running paper logs it have little effect other than increased rates. If you are a company driver that is non union you win. If you are a company that has a bunch of trucks you win.
    Let me explain:

    As an employer you win by decreasing turnover, increasing safety of drivers and equipment, reducing citations and OOS orders

    As an employee you win with being compensated for all you do.

    As an OO you benefit from increased rates. It helps to level the field allowing you to put more in your pocket.

    Might even make it profitable enough to get others to invest in owning their own truck.

    As a union employee this wouldn't effect you so there is no need for you to reply... thanks!
     
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  8. Chaos268

    Chaos268 Light Load Member

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    All of these things were going on early in the 19th century when the union movement started. It took guts, broken heads, and blood, but the unions got strong. Then they got weak, and here we are again. There is only one way for workers to be strong against management. Collective bargaining. Individuals can't do a thing. I don't like the way unions have done lately in supporting these commie Democrats. But still, only through collective bargaining is there any gain. Consider this one fact, Teamster drivers get paid for every minute they are working. When they lay over, they are put up in a hotel at the company's expense. I know they pay union dues, but that union dues is minute compared to the difference they make on their pay checks and with health insurance and retirement. I know the union bosses are fat cats, but still, collective bargaining does give the members good pay and benefits. That is the bottom line.
     
  9. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    hmmmmm... late to the party, but here goes!

    The thing you aren't considering as you talk of unionizing the OTR segment, is the effect that has on rates. Trucking is actually a very narrow margin industry, with operating ratios well over .90 the norm, and as such any increase in wages is passed on as an increase in rates. Check on what it costs to ship a pallet via one of the LTL union carriers, and you'll find that it is a large percentage of what truckload rate would be. Yes, they have the P/D costs of LTL, but if you think that the kind of rates needed to pay union scale would not result in a large jump in average cost of living, minimizing much of the income gain, you are fooling yourself.

    But my biggest issue with the union environment is it totally removes any incentive for excellence. The biggest slug on the board will still get a better run than you merely because he has been there longer. The only prop you'll ever see for excellence is the self-affected 'attaboy' you give yourself in the mirror. I've been there, done that; it's like a cancer that eats at you and makes your workplace miserable. I left a gravy job because of it; per hour, per diem, expense acct, stay in the Holiday Inn gravy kind of job. Being miserable just wasn't worth it.

    Now I'm not defending the status quo, the race to the bottom in TL is pathetic. I read an article by an industry analyst a few years ago, he pointed out that TL is one of the very few examples of downward pressure on rates even when capacity is tight. That is the largest factor in trucking's small profit margins. And for all you griping about I don't get paid for that? Is it really all that hard to understand that your PTI, fueling, D&H, etc. is figured in to your per mile pay? The gripe about loading/unloading time is a fair one, and largely self-inflicted by the industry's wide spread refusal to charge customers for this time. Don't work for someone who doesn't pay detention, you have other choices. And does it occur to any of you that the bottom feeders would likely be out of business if so many weren't subsidizing them through the fleece purchases? You think they are losing money on what they charge for those trucks? Do the math, compare a typical lease to a loan of the same term; you won't like the result, I can guarantee you! There are investors who supply the money to buy all those trucks, and they expect a return on their investment; who's piece of the pie do you think that return comes out of? Think about it!
     
  10. Roadmedic

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    I hear the comments that the industry is operated on tight margin, but sorry, I do not buy it.

    There are many union operations that seem to do quite well and prosper.

    The private companies and mega's do quite well on the issue. Never heard of any of them taking a huge salary cut. The goal in any business is a straight profit percent and then any cuts are from employees and their benefits. Never from the management except as a last resort.
     
  11. Chaos268

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    I have noticed lately that many of the LTL companies pay wages at or above union scale as far as local delivery and dock. The difference is the benefits, the employees pay for them instead of the health insurance and retirement being part of the negotiated package. The union freight lines apparently don't have that much higher of a rate than the non-union companies. I also notice that where there is a union presence in the industry, such as in LTL the non-union companies make much higher pay. No union presence in truck load, and lower pay industry wide. As for the seniority system taking away incentive to do good work, I have worked both union and non-union in trucking and the company I worked at in non-union, the employees were saturated with methamphetamine. Now that was in the 1970s. Those guys did some God-awful dock work, throwing freight in a Birmingham trailer that went to Buffalo etc. I'm not saying non-union companies have sorry help, not at all, I'm just saying union workers are not slack by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I have noticed they work much harder, those companies demand a lot more work to justify the higher pay. Personally, I would rather work for a non-union company, at least one of the better ones. You can get hired on much faster with benefits with a non-union company, as you don't have to work casual indefinitely. And for the first two years after hired at a Teamster company you can get fired for anything, don't expect any union representation until you have been there past the probationary period. Still, I don't like the unions for supporting the commies, they are 'sleeping with the devil' on that one. I believe if there were at least a few truckload companies that went union, the wages and benefits industry wide would improve, and nobody would go out of business other than the bottom feeders, and then there would be that much freight left for good companies.
     
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