Everyone says CRST is bad?

A newbie would not make $150. If they do a load of 3000 miles and then split the miles they would get 1500 miles x .25/mile = $375.00 before taxes.

Okay, so if you drive 3000 miles at .32cpm without per diem. That is $960. But you get half of those miles, which comes up to 1500 miles. .32cpm x 1500 miles = $480. That is better than the $150 a newbie would make.[/QUOTE]

 

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Okay, lets put the pay scale aside for a second. You are calculating this off of 6000 miles a week. I still talk to drivers who run hard and rarely see that. I ran hard with my trainer, was never late and sometimes early and rarely saw 6000. After deductions, tolls, food, scales you will have barely anything at this company. It gets nicer at .31 cpm but it's a struggle physically, mentally and financially until you hit that point.

CRST gives the same numbers you give to all newbies. They give what you will make at 6000 miles a week. NOT what you will actually, realistically be making. If you are actually getting 6000 a week, that is awesome and congrats. But, while I worked there, I never met a single driver that got a consistent 6000 miles a week.

Now, splitting the MILES not the PAY sounds good. But, you can split the PAY not the MILES and still come up with the same check at the end of the trip. Either way, you are making .10cpm. Now, with the whopping 1.5cpm increase, it will take a whole extra 1.5 minutes to starve on a CRST truck.

By your math, you are saying that if a newbie stays after their contract, and go from .20cpm to .32cpm, they can look forward to a whole $100 extra dollars a paycheck which will actually make up for the $150+ they will pay out of their last paycheck in tolls and scales.

 

The hell they don't. Ozark starts their new guys fresh out of training at $.35 cpm,Prime $.41 and many more right up there with it. Take off your rosé colored glasses there driver (?).

 

Ok, let's start off by going with what a new driver starts out with which is .25/mile. It is NOT .10/mile. For example sake, lets say a team gets 4000 miles in a week. The team will split those miles. If a new student is making .25/mile they will get a check that is for .25/mile x half of 4000 miles which is 2000 miles. .25 x 2000 miles = $500.00. Now if you want to go your way and say that it's half the pay then it would be .125 x 4000 = $500.00. It is the same thing.

You are correct, not everyone will make 6000 every single week. Sometimes we get 5000 and at times less based on various factors.

I have learned that having a good dispatcher and co-driver is key to getting good miles and running them. Yes, there are situations that have good drivers getting screwed by crappy dispatchers and I am sad when I hear that. It sucks! That however is not only a CRST problem.

When a student starts out after 6 weeks they start deducting $$40 per week (Once a week) until the training costs (Usually $500-$600) are paid off. This is not to be confused with the $4000 that will be waived if the student completes his 8 month contract. The deductions are only for the $500-$600 portion which is different from the $4000 that is waived after the 8 month contract is up.

Why are you including tolls and scales as part of what a driver pays out? Yes, it's true that CRST drivers pay the tolls and scale tickets up front, but they are reimbursed as soon as the load is completed and submitted for reimbursement.

I get it that not every CRST driver has the same experience. Some good, some ok, some bad, some terrible, but when it comes to the fixed variables they don't change for different people.

I am still perplexed as to why you still believe that people only get .10/mile?



Okay, lets put the pay scale aside for a second. You are calculating this off of 6000 miles a week. I still talk to drivers who run hard and rarely see that. I ran hard with my trainer, was never late and sometimes early and rarely saw 6000. After deductions, tolls, food, scales you will have barely anything at this company. It gets nicer at .31 cpm but it's a struggle physically, mentally and financially until you hit that point.

CRST gives the same numbers you give to all newbies. They give what you will make at 6000 miles a week. NOT what you will actually, realistically be making. If you are actually getting 6000 a week, that is awesome and congrats. But, while I worked there, I never met a single driver that got a consistent 6000 miles a week.

Now, splitting the MILES not the PAY sounds good. But, you can split the PAY not the MILES and still come up with the same check at the end of the trip. Either way, you are making .10cpm. Now, with the whopping 1.5cpm increase, it will take a whole extra 1.5 minutes to starve on a CRST truck.

By your math, you are saying that if a newbie stays after their contract, and go from .20cpm to .32cpm, they can look forward to a whole $100 extra dollars a paycheck which will actually make up for the $150+ they will pay out of their last paycheck in tolls and scales.[/QUOTE]

 

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I bring up tolls because my route with CRST kept me around the North East pretty much the entire time. I payed most of my checks in tolls. Yes, they do reimburse you, AFTER you complete your delivery. SO, if you complete the delivery on FRIDAY you won't get paid and reimbursed until TUESDAY. So, if you make $230 for a previous load, pay $150 in tolls and $10 for a scale, you will have $70 to get you by for 5 days. I met a lot of drivers who paid the $160 when they only made $180 out of their previous check and had to survive on $20 for that 5 days.

There is a lot that CRST doesn't tell the newbies. And obviously, a lot of the newbies don't think to much into what they are being told. They see the CRST sample pay sheet which shows "6000 miles a week at $400" or something. But they don't tell you that is rare. They tell you that you will pay tolls, but they do not tell you how much tolls are. If you are from the west coast, you most likely have never paid a toll in your life, especially in a rig. They don't tell you about how much time you may spend sitting, not making a dime.

As to the .10cpm issue. I have stated it over and over in all my posts. I will show one last example in this post of how I get that.

CRST says they pay (when I worked there) .22cpm. With Per Diem, it becomes .20cpm.

Now, lets say our truck drove 2300 miles on a load, which is realistic with CRST.

I get paid for half the miles of the 2300 driven.

So you can either say, .20cpm x 2300 divided by 2 = $230 paycheck.

Or you can say:

.10cpm x 2300 = $230 paycheck.

So, either way you look at it, you are making $230 for that load.

Each driver makes $230 for that trip. Weather you want to look at it as splitting miles or splitting pay, you make the same amount.

 

Were basically saying the same thing just two different ways in terms of the pay.

Anyway, I think we made some good points and info for the newbies.

Cheers!

I bring up tolls because my route with CRST kept me around the North East pretty much the entire time. I payed most of my checks in tolls. Yes, they do reimburse you, AFTER you complete your delivery. SO, if you complete the delivery on FRIDAY you won't get paid and reimbursed until TUESDAY. So, if you make $230 for a previous load, pay $150 in tolls and $10 for a scale, you will have $70 to get you by for 5 days. I met a lot of drivers who paid the $160 when they only made $180 out of their previous check and had to survive on $20 for that 5 days.

There is a lot that CRST doesn't tell the newbies. And obviously, a lot of the newbies don't think to much into what they are being told. They see the CRST sample pay sheet which shows "6000 miles a week at $400" or something. But they don't tell you that is rare. They tell you that you will pay tolls, but they do not tell you how much tolls are. If you are from the west coast, you most likely have never paid a toll in your life, especially in a rig. They don't tell you about how much time you may spend sitting, not making a dime.

As to the .10cpm issue. I have stated it over and over in all my posts. I will show one last example in this post of how I get that.

CRST says they pay (when I worked there) .22cpm. With Per Diem, it becomes .20cpm.

Now, lets say our truck drove 2300 miles on a load, which is realistic with CRST.

I get paid for half the miles of the 2300 driven.

So you can either say, .20cpm x 2300 divided by 2 = $230 paycheck.

Or you can say:

.10cpm x 2300 = $230 paycheck.

So, either way you look at it, you are making $230 for that load.

Each driver makes $230 for that trip. Weather you want to look at it as splitting miles or splitting pay, you make the same amount.[/QUOTE]

 

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lol that's whats important. Stay safe out there.

 

You too. Drive safe.

lol that's whats important. Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]

 

lol I dont even pay tolls up front, I get to the booth "I dont have cash bill the company" and they let me through. Done this quite a few times since I do not carry enough cash and hardly carry cash at all.

As for scales thats a given if you have heavy loads and want to be safe.

 

Lol. Yeah I hear ya.