New school requirements

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by GasHauler, Mar 26, 2008.

  1. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    I see that the FMCSA is asking for input on their proposal for truck driving schools. They want to pass the regulation that requires new drivers to have at least 44 hours behind the wheel and 76 hours of classroom. They also want only accredited schools.

    I'm sure there's plenty of schools out there that have this time but want is needed is more than just time. It's the context of the course that needs to be changed. These schools have one objective and that's to get their students a CDL.

    There's no real professional training being taught and instead of the FMCSA mandating time they should mandate course requirements. You know the first schools to be accredited are the big #### companies that want that slave to fill the seat. If they really cared about training they would provide a trainer that has some experience instead of putting a driver with 6 months in the truck as the driver trainer.

    How many drivers are out there with 10 years or less that know how to adjust their brakes or even how to check them properly. Sure there's a few but more that don't know than the ones that do know. That's just one example, there's many more.

    You bet I sent my comments in and I still think the schools need to be held accountable for what they teach, the companies need to be inspected to ensure their safety program is really working, and there needs to be another endorsement for driver trainer that drivers with a clean record and 10 years experience can get.

    What do you all think???
     
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  3. Cruise Cookie

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    I attend an accredited school. My classroom instructor had no less than 10 years o/r and also was a trainer for five years. I learned much more than cdl requirements. how to use a qualcom, how to actually make money in the industry, advice on mountain driving and a wealth of other information you can only get from a seasoned professional. On the driving range our instructors average thirty years o/r exp. again, the information I have recieved from them has been taken with humility,gratitude and respect. I agree that the so called cdl mills are lacking to say the least. I also agree that you get what you pay for. I still have some hard dues to pay, but thanks to the wisdom of an elite group of highly skilled professionals, I believe I have a better chance than many who get caught in the company school/contract bit. I hear they want them to pay them back for training, while the same companies offer to pay for my schooling through tuition re imbursement programs, up to $150.00 per month.
    I spent 200 hours in class, and will spend 160 hours on driving range and city driving. Thats before I spend 240 hours of driving over the road which I must complete before I recieve my diploma.Sure it cost a few nickles but you must concede that this type of training is both necessary and worth it.(80,000lb. killing machine). BTW my school is not affiliated with any particular trucking company, though all the big name companys send recruiters by frequently.
    I totally agree about the idea of having a training endorsement available only to those with a clean million miles or ten years. I dont think its fair to group all schools together and say whats being taught and what isnt.
    as far as the brake adjustment thing, most companies dont even want a driver make any mechanical adjustments unless he is certified or authorized by the company to do so. I will admit though for ones own personnal safety , it is a good thing to know.Good schools are rare, but dont think they are all BS. Hey, I dont think all truckers or trucking companies are bad, despite what I have heard.
     
  4. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    What I've seen your school is a rarity. It's true that some companies will not let you adjust the brakes but you do have to know how to check them and that was just one example.
     
  5. Big Don

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    I have to agree with what you are saying. My only question here is to wonder if they will ever find enough qualified driver trainers under your proposal.

    Of course this is in my mind because I just can't imagine trying to be a driver trainer. I don't have the personality or the patience to do it, not to mention the desire to have to team with just whoever the company would assign.
     
  6. OpenEye

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    Cruise Cookie: What is the name of your school and the approximate length of the course? It sounds like a good one.

    (PS-I hate not being able to send private messages).
     
  7. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    There's alot of guys that feel the same way. Then you just don't get the endorsement. I would hope there are enough drivers. There just can't be drivers that wouldn't fill the requirements. The companies would have to pay the driver trainers and I feel it should be all the time. My company takes driver trainers very serious. They pay them more (but just during training) and they get to go on a get-a-way every year. There's plenty of drivers that have over 10 years in fact we have many drivers over 20 years safe driving.

    I think the companies like swift would have a problem but they're the type of companies that need the program the most. They would be forced to change but lets face it they are big and have some pull in what laws are made.
     
  8. chief

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    I had a total of about 10 hours on the road at my school. most of the time at the wheel was backing practice. the majority of the time was spent in the classroom.

    every company I worked for forbid adjusting the brakes. if a brake adjustment was needed, it was to be taken to the shop. I never checked the adjustment (aside from a trailer wheel locking up before the others if the trailer was empty.) I would check the brake pads at least.
     
  9. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    A whole 10 hours driving. The companies forbid adjusting for a couple of reasons. 1. The truck has automatic slack adjusters and if they need adjusting they're bad and need to be replaced. 2. And they don't want drivers under the truck because there's too many possiblities the driver will get hurt because of lack of training.

    However, you've got to know if they are working properly and how would you know if you don't know how to inspect them? You never looked at the slack adjusters, chambers, and all the other parts that go along with that brake system?

    The requirements that you need to pass and get your CDL DO NOT stop once you have the license. You're required to know that information all the time.
     
  10. Cruise Cookie

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    Yes I agree how important it is to have a working knoledge of the brake system and the value of being able to recognize potential hazardous conditions.

    That being said, the question is, should some real mechanical training with certified instructors be mandated by the fed. If so, it opens up another big can of worms. Can you imagine what the liability involved in training a newbie fresh off the street? the insurance alone is insane, then add on mechanical training. How much cash can one be expected to shell out to get a class A ?

    I see a lot of people like me who can barely afford the training as it is. If they make it too expensive well...

    I am sure there are some up town lawyers and doctors who drive just because they love it, but I am willing to bet that for the most part the industry is full of hard core knuckle heads like me who come from average blue collar families and are just trying to survive.

    There are some other areas that can be addressed as well. I think all schools should be required to have a skid range with a specified minimum number of hours to better train for extreme conditions. The cost I suppose would be less tham mech. training. And the benefits could be greater.
     
  11. Harley

    Harley Light Load Member

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    Im currently attending a school in Southern Missouri that is also accredited. Here is how it breaks down...

    Classroom & Lab 70 Hours
    Range & Street 88 Hours
    Independent Study 34 Hours

    1st Part- Classroom- Students will begin with an orientation followed by the different phases of truck driving such as:
    1. Basic Operation
    2. Safe operating practices
    3. Advanced operating practices
    4. Vehicle maintenance
    5. Non-vehicle activities

    2nd Part- Lab and Range- This is hands-on training where students learn inspection, coupling and uncoupling, backing and shifting.

    3rd Part- Street and over the road- This consist of driving in towns, on Interstates, over hills and in cities. Students can expect during range, street and over the road training at least 44 hours behind the wheel driving time.

    All instructors are all former truck drivers with 10-20+ years of experience.

    I have heard nothing but GOOD things about this school so I guess I will soon find out.
    In the 4th week when driving, we will get to do some night driving as well which I believe will be good experience.
     
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