No place to park and out of hours

And from the stand point of endocrinology they would be accurate.

 

Well...Except for the T/A (East) in Denver....Seems they're always full no matter what time it is....

 

I already know that....Just being a smart-A....

 

So none of the Reefer or grocery loads are getting P/U or dropped?....

None of the F/B loads are dropped in NYC?.......

 

Hey...Your time begins when you do a P/T at the truck stop....

What would have happened if as you pulled out of the parking lot and you got into an accident....Then were asked to show your Logs?....

 

That doesn't make any sense. Why would he be ticked off? Surprised by the same thing that happens every day?

Illegal. You'd have had to work pretty hard to think of something less self-flattering to ask.

Man, you are like the King of Extrapolation From False Premises. He doesn't "has to watch a clicking clock" any more than do you, and he can take his time and nap as he feels appropriate. You'll both arrive this evening. Did you intend to refute your own argument?

Did you factor in your exceeding speed limits, increasing the likelihood of being pulled over...?

Define "safer". In the event of an incident, regardless of fault, which of you can demonstrate compliance with regulations; a legal right to be "there" when the incident occurs? Which will lose control of their bladder as they contemplate the logbook falsifications they thought were in their best interest 60 seconds prior that now seem so obvious and easily detected under a little scrutiny?

Which will have that in the back of their mind as they... do whatever they think of as "driving"... and assuming they've thought that far ahead...?

And...?

 

I could be missing something (due to my naivete) but the work doesn't change, the HOS doesn't change, the physical demands don't change, only the way the HOS is reported. So how does one advantage the other in a way that gives the driver more flexibility or encumbers the driver with fewer options.

WCP you appear to have an understanding of this...am I missing something?

 

Nice work, where do I send the residual check?

 

I've seen it happen. First thing in the morning driver pulled out in front of a school bus, of all things, tandems still well inside the driveway entrance. Blocked all traffic in/out in for 2 hours.

They finally kinda dragged him out of the way so everyone could squeeze out, but me, in that 379 with the HUGE wheelbase. (That was a love/hate relationship if there ever was one.)

 

In EZ's scenario it should also be added that since he stayed the night at the truck stop, but logged as though he spent the night at his customer and didn't actually do any work until AFTER he was loaded...

... then in the event that he is involved in an accident he would:

- Have to be sure he didn't purchase anything at the truckstop, since that could be tracked.
- Didn't walk in front of any security cameras at the truckstop.
- Didn't drive by any traffic cameras on the way to the customer from the truckstop.
- None of the employees at the shipper happen to notice they have a "no parking" policy and he wasn't in fact parked there for the night.
.... etc. etc. etc.

As noted, once you are involved in an incident you are dead meat if you've been cooking your books. Kind of reminds me of that set of billboards in Arkansas, one from a Pilot saying, "Thank you professional drivers!" and right below it another billboard advertising a lawyer for anyone, "In an accident with a big rig?"

I've driven most of my career on paper logs, and there were more than a few occasions we needed to "have our logbooks catch up to us", etc. It was always a bit stressful getting through chicken coops without getting caught. Now I'm driving on e-logs and it is certainly true it puts a crimp on my ability to make a certain destination when I'm about to run out of hours. Can't fudge it anymore the way I used to. On the other hand it's quite a bit more relaxing, knowing I'm not under scrutiny by LEO's anymore. "You have e-logs? Okay, move along."