Hazmat Discrepancy

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  1. KD8FQB

    KD8FQB Light Load Member

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    Went to pick up a load yesterday but wasn't sure that I was legal to haul it. I do not have a Hazmat Endorsement on my CDL but everyone and their brother was telling me that I was legal.

    Load was 41,958 lbs of Zinc Dust, not including pallets, etc.
    21 pallets, 2 bags per pallet, 999 lbs. per bag.


    Was furnished with an MSDS sheet that had the following informaton in Section 14:

    USDOT: This material is Zinc metal under 100 microns in size. In packages less than 1,000 lbs it is not regulated. In packages greater than 1,000 lbs, it is regulated.

    Materials, Classification
    Zinc Dust, Class 9, UN3077, Packing Group III, RQ (Zinc)
    Proper Shipping Name: Zinc Dust

    I found another MSDS sheet for the same Proper Shipping Name online and it listed the following information in Section 14:

    DOT CLASSIFICATION

    CLASS 4.2: Spontaneously combustible substance. CLASS 4.3: Dangerous when wet material.

    Identification: Zinc Dust / Powder, UNNA 1436, PG I

    Sure enough, when you look up Zinc Dust in the ERG it comes up as UN1436. According to 49 CFR 172.504, all quantities of substances listed under Table I must be Placarded, which includes Class 4.3: Dangerous when wet.

    Was I legal to pull it?
     
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  3. rwdfinch50

    rwdfinch50 Medium Load Member

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    You already know the answer to your question. Without a hazmat endorsement, you are not allowed to haul hazardous materials. The law is very clear on this. You said you went to pick it up, but you didn't say whether you did pick it up or not. hopefully, you refused to haul the load.
     
  4. KD8FQB

    KD8FQB Light Load Member

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    Class 9 doesn't require placards domestically. Class 4.3 would however.

    Shipper and company both swore up and down that no Placards were required.
     
  5. TomOfTx

    TomOfTx Road Train Member

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    What does your BOL list as the proper shipping name, hazard class, UN/NA number and packing group? Are the bags of Zinc labeled the same? Variations of Zinc fall into more than 6 different hazard classes.
     
  6. KD8FQB

    KD8FQB Light Load Member

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    Bills didn't list anything. They only said "This material is not subject to the D.O.T. Hazardous Materials Regulation, 49 CFR Part 100-199"

    None of the bags were labeled.
     
  7. rwdfinch50

    rwdfinch50 Medium Load Member

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    If they say the material is not subject to the regulations, then it probably falls under a non hazardous class that you can haul. I've been trying to find something under the regs that covers specifically the item you are talking about, and I haven't found anything specific.
     
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  8. TomOfTx

    TomOfTx Road Train Member

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    Looks like the shipper loaded zinc powder (zinc dithionite), which is a Class 9 hazardous material. No placards needed due to the packaging size, and no hazmat endorsement would be required. You are fine. :)
     
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  9. TomOfTx

    TomOfTx Road Train Member

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    It is a zinc powder he was hauling. Zinc dithionite or Zinc hydrosulfite, 9, UN1931, III

    The particle size in microns is what makes the difference between this zinc being a Class 4.3 or a Class 9.
     
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  10. KD8FQB

    KD8FQB Light Load Member

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    It's just one of those odd things that pop up and you have to make a go/no go decision. Really makes you think twice after opening up that ERG. I didn't know about the other forms of Zinc Dust though.
     
  11. KD8FQB

    KD8FQB Light Load Member

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    So why did their MSDS show UN3077? That response guide calls for using water on small or large fires. Seems like a bad idea to me. Thanks for info
     
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