Dumb question

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by jagtdm, Jul 22, 2014.

  1. sprizo

    sprizo Light Load Member

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    Really, when is the last time you heard of a fire or explosion from a flashlight around a gas drop? Odds are probably a billion to one. Just get a good LED, low heat signature, and zero chance of overheating or shorting out. I have been using these for gas delivery for over 8 years, with no issues. Stop being so paranoid.
     
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  3. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    When a truck and gas station burns to the ground they look at everything. Something like a flashlight that's not authorized around heat or flame brings in a huge red flag. You'd have a hard time getting out of that one and the civil lawyers will be standing in the back wetting their chops.
     
  4. Big Duker

    Big Duker "Don Cheto"

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    Not a dumb question at all. Gas Hauler is right. As Sprizo said the odds are massive against any flashlight related problem. But is that one in a million happens you need to cover your hiney-should you still be around. They are not expensive so might as well buy cheap insurance. You have to have a flashlight. I have a Streamlight and couple of other expensive lights I don't carry although I would love to. Just a small LED about 90 lumens Less then $30. Again a good question.
     
  5. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    You're using two different scenario's here. One you're using something you shouldn't use and the other you're just moving to keep warm.
    The funny thing is you'll never be blamed for a fire from sitting. Even when it is the cause of thousands of fires every week. But you will be blamed for using an unauthorized piece of gear. The problem with you sitting in a car seat and then touching the hand pump there's a very good chance of a static discharge. It's because of nylon rubbing with cotton. That's just as bad as filling a portable gasoline can in the back of a pick up when the pick up has a bed liners, again fire.
     
  6. ShakieHead

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    You know Hauled gas over five years and the only flashlights I've used is one that turns on. It's gonna take way more than a flashlight to blow one up. The gas isn't the problem it's the vapors. It takes a extremely high heat source to ignite the vapors, or a SPARK in the right place at the right time. Everything is based off a "what if", just do the job, don't over think the job, and if you screw up enough to blow one up, and that is a "what if I screw up enough to blow one up" your not gonna feel it or be around to face the consequences.

    Sorry I'm not trying to be a smart ##### or a know it all, I'm just saying that if you are scared to use a flashlight around a load of gas, that tells me you a scared of a load of gas and loading racks. To me that makes you a unsafe gas hauler, a more vulnerable to mistakes. Don't over think the job, and that whole blowing a load of gas up, is very rare compared to the industry accidents. I've seen some crazy accidents involving loads of gas, and the safety of the trailers, and equipment we use keep the job pretty safe.
     
  7. Big Duker

    Big Duker "Don Cheto"

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    No one here said a word about being "scared" of using a light. Where did you get that ducus??? Used to smoke while they were unloading fuel. Probably still could and have no problems. The legal system today is what makes a good driver get the proper equipment and use it properly. Even a simple thing like a flashlight. If they were expensive it might be an issue. But they are cheap as any regular light and no one can say squat to you about not following rules. I'm on pace to make 80K + this yr. Not going to jeopardize that good money for easy job over a $20 light.
     
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  8. ShakieHead

    ShakieHead Light Load Member

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    My bad forgot the EPA Flashlight patrol is gonna fine ya and take you your job for using the wrong flashlight. Enjoy your 80K+ since you felt the need to brag about it, I remember when I used to make that much.

    Regardless scared or not, a flashlight is a flashlight. They are self contained and run off batteries. Unless it's some massive 12V powered or more it's not gonna cause a problem regardless of what anyone or company says.
     
  9. Big Duker

    Big Duker "Don Cheto"

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    Maybe if you followed the rules and played their game a little you would be able to make it. It's not bragging if you can back it up. Lots there making over $100K a yr. I just finished my 1st yr hauling fuel. Being a sorehead never got anyone schidt. I don't like the orange vests, FR clothing, safety shoes, and other crap required at various racks. I would deliver in shorts and tennis shoes if that was allowed. But they do have wasted paycheck safety depts and if that 's what they require for me to make easy money then I'm OK with it. When they come to my place I make the rules.
     
  10. GasHauler

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    That's the whole program. Reduce the hazard and switch the liability. If you're a safe and smart gas hauler then you always reduce the hazard around you. It just makes common sense. I've seen drivers not use vapor recovery because they said it saves time. It never did and I know I do not want to be standing in a cloud of gasoline vapors. I've also seen where a station has burnt to the ground when the truck was there unloading and nobody got hurt. And where do you think everyone started the investigation? The truck of course. Any safety device that is required I use. If you have to pay for any of these items then it's time to switch companies. There's no question of know-it-all or super gashauler, it's just good common sense.
     
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