Anti-rollover devices

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  1. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    54trucker,the moment the wheels lock up,you lose control.
    That's the first thing which is wrong in your statement.

    Secondly,why would any truckdriver decide to lock his brakes???

    Honestly,all i see in your statements is a blind hate ,without really knowing how they work,for all things new.
    Maybe that isn't the case but that is how you come across.
     
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  3. wore out

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    A skid is the last thing a driver wants, I do believe that anti-lock brakes is one of the best things a motor vehicle can have no matter its size. Yes I have put them on my 359 it wasn't easy.
     
  4. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    Properly applied brakes will stop you faster than ABS when conditions are less than ideal. If you know what you are doing, there is no need for ABS. None of my personal vehicles have it, and the only reason the Mack has them is because the feds required them by the time it was manufactured. There are situations where you might want to skid a little...and times when you need to STOP where the ABS keeps releasing & re-applying the brakes because 1 brake decided to grab, depleting your air supply and lessening the braking force available to the other 9 brakes that aren't trying to lock up. This extends the space needed to stop, potentially CAUSING you to hit something that would have otherwise been avoided. Yes, I've driven trucks and trailers without ABS, and I've never had any problems controlling them. I don't need the vehicle making decisions for me on how best to handle a situation.
     
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  5. 54Trucker

    54Trucker Light Load Member

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    "Blind hate"...(?) lol......ok, I don't like being controlled I'll admit that. I'm from the old school of Triplexes, duplexes, trolley brakes, 18 speeds, splitters etc.. but what is the real motive of all of this computerized control?

    I used to enjoy locking up the trailer brakes and seeing a little smoke coming up with an empty trailer, it gave me the feel of the brakes, how quick they would grab and how quick they would release. That is the whole purpose, I wasn't referring to locking up the tractor with a load in traffic.

    I guess it depends (as I have explained above) what the circumstances are. We evolved from solid tires, no power steering, triplexes and trolleys to no trolley, automatics, and air bags. That's not progress in my eyes its corporate politics. I'm really sick and tired of companies with junk ten speeds, no trolleys (which is the ultimate insult) oh.. and never to forget Freightliners great joke of having the drivers seat extend right to the back of your knees allowing no freedom of leg movement.

    I just want to know how you guys really feel about this, are they planning on doing away with drivers in the future? it sure looks that way to me.
     
  6. Richter

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    ok, now were on abs, away from anti roll.

    Anyways, on a car, abs can cycle your brakes on an off way faster then any human can. On snow or ice you will be pumping brakes and thus abs is a decent feature. On trucks, the computer cant out brake me. Do the the lag time on air brakes, the compter cant cycle at supper speed. So, on airbrake trucks, i dont like abs. Its one more thing to breck and put you OOS. If i get in a ahiry situation, im gonna know how to pump brakes and dont need the abs to do it for me. Older style abs systems are even worse. On our trailers we have a dup valve on th rear ax;e to aid in making turns. (dumps air in rear axle transferring weight to front. If you brake, the rear axle locks since it has no weight on it. When this happens the ABS releces the brakes on both axles thus temporarily killing the trailer brakes. Trick is, dont use the dump valve untill you done brakeing, but the abs makes this situation worse.
     
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  7. freightlinerman

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    ABS stops a vehicle faster and safer then without, plus you get the benefit of not flat spotting your tires.
     
  8. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    On a car, yes,...on an airbrake system, the brake lag slows is down, so in my experience, no
     
  9. Pablo-UA

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    EBS air brake is faster than hydrolic brakes on many cars.

    For all US truckers I'd recomend to test OLD EU truck with EBS (for exampe 97 Actros), ore '00 Volvo FH with EBS. Better idea - to test trailer with EBS.
     
  10. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    Almost any driver manual for any state will tell you there is brake lag. I dont care how fast the computer turns it on and off. The physics of air brakes just don't work to quick. Air compresses to easily which means it will compress more before equalizing and applying brakes.
     
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    it is very interesting to me that americans have so much resistance to new and good things, even people in 3rd world countries accept technology faster

    until 5years those people did not want to buy our second hand trucks with electronics , now they wants only them

    here now it is very hard to sell used truck with manual transmission, also hard to find driver who is willing to drive it

    my friend have actros with lot of equipment 550hp , chipped 15%, he spend lot of money for extra things, lights everywhere, interior , exterior his truck is famous even in other countries, germany austria swiss everyone flash lights when met him

    once his was driving on highway and it was strong fog, and than out of nowhere (from emergency lane) car appeared in his track with very low speed, truck started to brake before he could see car , he could not stop completely only damage headlight bumper and this radar for distance , but those people did not died

    here is short list of technology on trucks that appeared on european market, of course those technologies were not as good as today but still it was strong step forward

    1979, Mercedes start to use ABS on road trucks
    1983, Scania start to use automated transmissions for first time
    1983, Renault offer disc brakes
    1985, Mercedes start to use automated transmissions for first time
    1986, Mercedes offers EDC as extra equipment on certain models 35,44
    1986, offers ECAS air suspension
    1987, Scania is worlds first truck equipped with EDC as serial
    1988, Mercedes offer automated transmissions as serial equipment for road trucks
    1996 june, Scania offers EBS as option
    1996 autumn, Mercedes offers EBS as serial

    from 2000s and latter, it is pretty hard to follow who offers what but volvo and mercedes get very far in this other just follow, trucks get adaptice cruise control, emergency brakes with radar, lane guard, tire pressure managment,sensors for blind spot , even cameras that recognize if you are tired, some drivers did not like that so they latter remove them and now it works on way you steer and how truck follow lane
     
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