Here is my perspective as a mechanic of 23 years and the difference between a seep and a leak. Looking at the photos you posted I see shiny wet oil deposited around the seal retainers on all three sections of the ram, liquid oil hanging and running down the ram/s, lack of dust/grime build up on the retainers. That is an indication of a leak.
If the seals were seeping there would be enough oil by passing the seals to dampen the retainers only enough so that dust/dirt would collect and stick to the oil film and build up, giving an appearance of damp earth yet no liquid would be visible, for comparison.
As to not detecting oil making to the ground upon a PTI, that makes perfect sense due to the fact that the operation of the hydraulics to dump the bed happen elsewhere, at a jobsite, under heavy load and requiring high pressure. Once the hydraulics are no longer needed and the PTO is off hydraulic pressure and falls to zero, the seals are now able to prevent oil loss. As you drive away gravity and bumps in the road remove the accumulated oil that has leaked, thus, by the time you perform a PTI there is not enough oil present to overcome surface tension and drip to the ground, the excess leaked oil was left behind on the road and on the lot as you drive away from where the dump occurred.
The greater the loss of a liquid the wetter and shinier the area around the loss will be until the leak becomes so great the liquid will wash the area clean of any residue, your leak is nearly to that point. A properly functioning seal will leave virtually no evidence that there is a liquid behind it.
Were that my equipment, I would fix it ASAP.
I hope this is helpful to you.
Is this too much seepage on my hoist?
Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by Mattnatti, Jan 30, 2015.
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@Alaska76, that is a very reasonable and logical assessment. Thank you. You previous post came off somewhat smart ### asking about PTI. It's easy for that to happen when posting on forums and texting etc. as I said earlier, I am concerned because the ram didn't look like that when i started using this dump trailer. I have been informed by our long time truck driver to show this to the new mechanic once he gets settled, in a few days. It would be a waste of valuable breath to show it to the current mech.
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Mattnatti Thanks this.
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As far as you doing anything to make it leak...if you're careful on the hoist and the retract to not let the ram "bind" in any way you should be okay. I've seen drivers dumping on a slight side hill and the top two stages of the ram would be out of line with the bottom stages. Slamming the trailer against the top stops on the ram isn't good either.
I've also seen drivers pull away with their trailer still in the air after dumping and retract the trailer as they're heading for the gate. That gives me the chills just thinking about it.
I'm probably preaching to the choir...if you've hauled 1600 loads and haven't turned one over...yet... you probably have a pretty good handle on your job.
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[QUOTE="semi" retired;4438012]Hi Mattnatti, I don't think that's severe. If it leaves a puddle on the ground, that's getting bad. [/QUOTE]
You boss sounds like a guy I used to work for. He'd give leaks the "hat test". If you complained about leaks of any kind he'd ask you if...when parked overnight...the leak puddle was bigger than your hardhat. We wore full brim hardhats. If the puddle was smaller you'd just add whatever was leaking and head out. Good old days...kinda.
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OMG. It's leaking..fix it...leaks don't get better, they get worse and more expensive
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New mechanic looked at the pics I posted here and said that the seals are on the way out. He gave benefit of doubt for the colder weather allowing some bypass and said we would start by snugging the collars at first then see what happens. Bottom line though he said it would need a rebuild in the not too distant future but as long as it doesn't drip to the ground we should be good for now.
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Run it. I have seen cylinders leak for years like that and not get worse. If it gets worse then have it fixed. Not being a smart--- but it is your boss's problem. You made people aware of it. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
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i am attempting to think of an end dump that doesn't have a little seepage that also has been used.reads as if your mechanic has been around them a while. good deal.
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Not to bad, but you can tighten the packing with cold chisel and a hammer. Put the chisel in the notch on the packing ring and turn it slightly clockwise. See if the slow it down. It should leak a tiny bit. Don't over tighten. I did regularly on my transfer.
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