I work for Big LTL and we are short on drivers. Our carrier (just like the many others out there) has a dockworker to driver program where you can train with a experienced driver on company equipment to obtain your Class A. We do not have a formal training program and instead have the trainee drive into nearby towns and complete actual routes under the strict supervision of an experienced company driver.
My question/concern is we have a dockworker that just got his permit and is now pulling double/triple trailer configurations to nearby cities for P&D. He does have the endorsement on his permit and he is always with an experienced driver, but I feel like this may seem a bit unsafe or possibly illegal.
Thoughts?
LCV on a permit?
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by road_runner, Sep 16, 2015.
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As far as I know in the same state perfectly legal on a regular truck and trailer. I don't know they can't with the endorsements but don't know that they can either.
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Unless he crosses into another state with a different rule,I don't see how it would be illegal. The state gave the permit with endorsement. As for unsafe that would be up to the driver training him.
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I am a little fuzzy here. I have a doubles/triples endorsement. But I cannot pull LCV(Long Combination Vehicles) without additional training. My understanding was an LCV is like the twin 48's or 53's on places like the NY Thruway, Fl Tpk. etc. Triples are not a LCV by definition, but I may be wrong.
As far as the idea whether it is safe or not? Having a driver who just got a CDL handling triples is not prudent. But there again, Big trucking companies have been known to put profits ahead of other considerations before. -
Every state and province has different guidelines. Here in Manitoba, you need two years experience and 150,000 verifiable miles before I can train you. Yet across the border in North Dakota, as soon as they are off probation, they are trained. New driver or experienced driver. Personally as an LCD instructor, I think it's flat out dangerous to throw them out with lcv's if they are new.
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In my state a LCV is pulling twin 48 foot trailers, or three 28.5 foot trailers. There is also a max length of 110 feet, and max weight of 129,000 lbs. The driver must have a LCV single trip permit from the state, is restricted to certain routes, and has a doubles\triples endorsement on their CDL. If the new driver has a learners permit with the proper endorsements, and has a fully licensed CDL holder in the passenger seat, it is perfectly legal for him to pull a LCV.
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Doesn't matter what endorsements. What ever he applies for. It starts with a learners permit.
LCV makes no difference. it's just another endorsement.
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