I had a weird problem with an air off today.

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by ethos, Aug 29, 2016.

  1. ethos

    ethos Road Train Member

    4,246
    9,886
    Mar 3, 2013
    Houston
    0
    I was delivering latex to a customer that I've been to a hundred times. They supply the air. So I hook up their line to the inlet on the dome and hook my hose up and all that and wait for the lab to give the okay.

    Well, as soon as they do the customer turns the air on and immediately I hear a leak. Bad air leak around the dome. No big deal, old trailer its happened to all of us. I beat the dogears with a hammer and the leak stops. Product is flowing nice, all is good.

    I have a suspension gauge that allows me to tell about when I'll be done. Well the gauge just stopped going down after 45 minutes. I was almost done and it just wouldn't move. I figured my internal had fallen or something. I checked everything and all was working fine but I wasn't moving product. Finally, I go up top and check the air. Like I said, old trailer no guage, so I did it the old fashioned way. Shut off the customer air, disconnect and open my inlet valve. The air is barely coming out and all of you tanker guys know what I mean. When the tank is pressurized, opening that inlet means noise and a whole lot of air coming out you can't mistake it.

    I checked the customer's air and it was pouring out just fine. I hooked it back up and tried to pressurize my tank and it just seemed to be getting no air. Finally, I cranked up their regulator to 45 psi and after 5 minutes, started moving product.

    So here is the question, why did my tank get air and then suddenly stop? I know some will say blockage but how can an inlet get blocked while there is 25 psi pouring in? I had good pressure, I was moving product fine and then it's like the air just vanished. The customer air was on the whole time, no valves got closed. I know the air went into the tank fine because remember I had the leak and that was no small trickle of air. Basically, it seemed like a blockage, but one that occurred during an offload. I can't figure this out. The inlet was one of those long tubes that goes straight into the dome, very old fashioned. I put a screwdriver in there and felt no blockage. In any event, it stumped me, I have done hundreds of off loads and never ran into this. There was no other leak, heck you can hear a high pressure air leak easily. The washout caps and dome were silent. Any ideas?
     
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. Flatbedder73

    Flatbedder73 Medium Load Member

    464
    353
    Dec 30, 2012
    Langhorne, PA
    0
    What size hose? How far away was the the customer's tank? Maybe 25 psi wasnt enuff to keep up? Did you get all of the product off?
     
  4. ethos

    ethos Road Train Member

    4,246
    9,886
    Mar 3, 2013
    Houston
    0
    One hose, top loading tank and I've delivered there many, many times. Eventually, after I cranked it up to 45 psi it started to flow again. I just can't figure out why, when you have a steady supply of air, the tank would run low.
     
  5. Roberts450

    Roberts450 Road Train Member

    2,237
    3,634
    Feb 6, 2016
    0
    Maybe the regulator froze up inside? What was the outside air temp and humidity like?? Normally customer air is kinda warm but you never know.
     
  6. ethos

    ethos Road Train Member

    4,246
    9,886
    Mar 3, 2013
    Houston
    0
    It was hot, I don't think that happened because I never caught it doing that but it is a possibility.
     
  7. Roberts450

    Roberts450 Road Train Member

    2,237
    3,634
    Feb 6, 2016
    0
    I bet it was an F Magic situation that will probably never repeat itself. Gotta love fluid dynamics when heat and pressure are involved. Lol
     
    ethos Thanks this.
  8. sawmill

    sawmill Road Train Member

    3,365
    63,079
    May 29, 2015
    Evanston, WY
    0
    I don't know how warm or humid it is where you were but keep in mind anytime you have a drop in pressure, as you would have coming from the plant air to your tank there is also a drop in temperature. It's the same principle that is applies to how A/C systems work. IF the plant air was not dry it could condense and freeze up. I have seen this happen before on tanks we were unloading in WY. Our air dryer malfunctioned and allowed a lot of water to build in the air supply and it caused a lot of problems like this.
     
  9. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

    3,066
    3,429
    Jan 12, 2011
    Levittown, PA
    0
    Delivered TIO2 slurry to a paint mill who used a diaphragm pump. air pressure was high but the stuff was so thick that the pump would freeze so they mounted it in a drum and added a heat gun to prevent freezing...took 4 hours to pump 2250 gal to the 5th floor...could have had some setup product in the airline restricting the airflow enough to freeze up.
     
  10. Stormdriven

    Stormdriven Medium Load Member

    331
    217
    Mar 11, 2014
    south, central, US.
    0
    Air was getting used elsewhere in the facility, perhaps heavily.
     
    Weeble Kneeble Thanks this.
  11. ethos

    ethos Road Train Member

    4,246
    9,886
    Mar 3, 2013
    Houston
    0
    That is a good idea, nice thinking. I'll ask about that next time I go there.
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.