ELDs are going to get people hurt/killed

shatteredsquare · Mar 19, 2018

LGarrison said: ↑

that just sounds nasty
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Pretty much is

x1Heavy · Mar 19, 2018

shatteredsquare said: ↑

mark my words, after april 1st, there will be a astronomical increase in accidents from drivers rushing to beat the clock, and being stuck in a position to need to move their rig without any time left. there will be increased accidents on the roads, increased property damage from slow maneuvering under high stress, and there will be guys speeding like crazy, more so than since december to now.

in addition to this, and probably worse, there will be an increase in altercations at shippers/customers, which will no doubt lead to actual assaults and/or deaths, from customers requiring drivers to move their trucks after keeping said driver stuck for hours till the clock is gone. With ELDs now, you can roll around a bit before it will trigger drive time. With the new ELD thing that is supposed to come into effect, anything over 5mph will AUTOMATICALLY trigger drive time, recorded in seconds, that will immediately and irrevocably cut any break you had started. That means that if you're out of hours, you legit won't be able to even move, unless you crawl in 1st, or line 5 it, or log off. It's going to be a mess not even being able to move around a yard, or a truck stop. How long do you think it will take them to reassess the regulation after the see the carnage it will cause?
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ELD's use the same HOS. Pffth big deal.

What will happen instead is this.

You can drive 11 hours today. YAY. But nope. I'll drive just 8 and park where there is parking for the night sometime in the early afternoon.

The USA will engage in a grotesque game of musical chairs in terms of non reserved or paid parking... every day.

Rocknroller4 · Mar 19, 2018

I dunno I'm more concerned with increased highway traffic. Seems awfully populated like crazy.

Justrucking2 · Mar 19, 2018

06driver said: ↑

You could have kept that lie. I used to do parts for GM and Ford. Top pay is not in the vernacular.
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Depends on which end of the stick you are on... Not all auto parts are the same... That Dana load I hauled 38 miles with wait time was a weeks pay for most drivers hauling the same parts.

VIDEODROME · Mar 19, 2018

windsmith said: ↑

The ELD doesn't shut your truck off. You can still drive, while listening to the ELD yell at you that you're violating HOS rules. There's a volume control that you can use to turn the voice off, so you won't hear it yelling at you while you're driving to your parking spot.

When you park, simply select the 'off-duty' or 'sleeper berth' options. After 10 hours, you'll be good to drive again.

When safety calls to ask what happened, tell them. You'll be told to try not to let that happen again.

What was the question again?
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I arrived early to a customer in a crappy neighborhood near Louisville. Their gate was closed and I decided to drive over my HOS instead of stay the night there. I went back on duty with a note on why I drove off and I didn't get in trouble with Safety.

Maybe I would have gotten some grief on the random chance I encountered a cop. It did ironically throw off my delivery making me late since I restarted a 10, but it sucks for them they live in a ####ty neighborhood.

scottied67 · Mar 19, 2018

windsmith said: ↑

The ELD doesn't shut your truck off. You can still drive, while listening to the ELD yell at you that you're violating HOS rules. There's a volume control that you can use to turn the voice off, so you won't hear it yelling at you while you're driving to your parking spot.

When you park, simply select the 'off-duty' or 'sleeper berth' options. After 10 hours, you'll be good to drive again.

When safety calls to ask what happened, tell them. You'll be told to try not to let that happen again.

What was the question again?
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The point is what if the driver had 5 hours good toward a 10 hour break at the customer then gets kicked out after loading, then has to start a brand new 10 hour break over again, carries a violation plus a total 15 hour break.

I said it before, be prepared for max 1800 mile weeks....

shatteredsquare · Mar 19, 2018

scottied67 said: ↑

The point is what if the driver had 5 hours good toward a 10 hour break at the customer then gets kicked out after loading, then has to start a brand new 10 hour break over again, carries a violation plus a total 15 hour break.

I said it before, be prepared for max 1800 mile weeks....
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THIS X 1,000,000. that's exactly what i'm talking about. nobody is going to give two bits about a driver and his break, or his hours left. they'll say move and move now or get banned / towed / fired / arrested. after having taken their sweet time to unload them while the drivers clock has been ticking down. they get paid by the hour, they get paid the same if they work or don't. then you get to roll out the customer gate having broken your 10 hour break at 8 hours and 43 minutes and be a danger / at fault / scrambling to find a safe place to put the rig and sweating for the next week that nobody asks to see your logs.

laaylor · Mar 19, 2018

IluvCATS said: ↑

How do you figure?
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I’ve

shatteredsquare said: ↑

mark my words, after april 1st, there will be a astronomical increase in accidents from drivers rushing to beat the clock, and being stuck in a position to need to move their rig without any time left. there will be increased accidents on the roads, increased property damage from slow maneuvering under high stress, and there will be guys speeding like crazy, more so than since december to now.

in addition to this, and probably worse, there will be an increase in altercations at shippers/customers, which will no doubt lead to actual assaults and/or deaths, from customers requiring drivers to move their trucks after keeping said driver stuck for hours till the clock is gone. With ELDs now, you can roll around a bit before it will trigger drive time. With the new ELD thing that is supposed to come into effect, anything over 5mph will AUTOMATICALLY trigger drive time, recorded in seconds, that will immediately and irrevocably cut any break you had started. That means that if you're out of hours, you legit won't be able to even move, unless you crawl in 1st, or line 5 it, or log off. It's going to be a mess not even being able to move around a yard, or a truck stop. How long do you think it will take them to reassess the regulation after the see the carnage it will cause?
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I’ve
been on electronic logs for 2 companies for 15 years...yes; a few times I’ve had problems at shippers and receivers, but I’ve always been able to work something out.. and still be legal.. it’s possible if you are professional and not confrontational about it...

laaylor · Mar 19, 2018

laaylor said: ↑

I’ve
I’ve
been on electronic logs for 2 companies for 15 years...yes; a few times I’ve had problems at shippers and receivers, but I’ve always been able to work something out.. and still be legal.. it’s possible if you are professional and not confrontational about it...
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Oh; and I make well over 1800 miles a week! Lol!

Tall Mike · Mar 19, 2018

I’m more concerned with the poor training you people are getting from the megas than I am ELD’s..

Racing thru a fuel stop parking lot playing beat the clock is highly dangerous though.

enjoy your elogs..

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