How do my numbers look for car hauling? What am i missing or inaccurate on?

Discussion in 'Car Hauler and Auto Carrier Trucking Forum' started by Atlanticus trucking, Jun 30, 2018.

  1. TUH|MATER

    TUH|MATER Bobtail Member

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    Awesome! That's great to hear, that your wheels are rolling. The bumps in the road is all part of that learning process I suppose.

    Are you getting your loads off of Central Dispatch only (is it sustainable) or using a dispatch service? How's the fuel consumption/cost doing after 2 weeks and do you still see profitability down the line and what kind of miles have you run so far? I know it's early, but we're talking two weeks real world experience, can't compare that to anything. Must feel good to finally get going, aside from the business head aches of course.

    Wish you and your business all the luck and success!!

    Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to reply and keep us updated.
     
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  3. Atlanticus trucking

    Atlanticus trucking Light Load Member

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    We are only using dispatch for now. No broker and I’m doing the dispatching myself using super dispatch. With all expenses paid and paying 1k towards the trailer to pay it off in 13 months, and 1k towards a repair fund per month we need 460 per day for 5 days a week. Because of all the set backs and learning we have been average around 300-400 up until this week. We changed some things and this week have made 675 per day for Monday and today. Wednesday we have another 675 scheduled. Thursday ill have about 450 scheduled while i look for a 4th delivery. Friday ill have 800.

    I also learned this week that certain places are open 7 days a week. So we are going to start working on Saturday which will lower that 460 bottom number to 383 a day for 24 days in a “month”

    Is central dispatch sustainable? From my limited experience it looks like it. Goal is to get regulars from dispatch and then get dealerships calling us directly.

    Ive learned that a big piece of this puzzle is figuring out your route. Once you find a decent route you optimize it and minimize #### ups. Changing your route can be a pain in the ### because every place has different drop off and pickup rules. If you dont know the potential problems then you will get stuck for 4 hours trying to resolve and your day gets destroyed. At first we wanted to long long distance with hotel nights. We scratched that idea for now and are staying within 150 air miles of where the business operates out of. Because we are staying so local we have hit 0 weigh stations, 0 pull overs. I dont know hot the money is for longer routes compared to what I’m doing because I haven’t put time to figure it out. It’s been nice to stay local because either myself or my partner can meet my driver if there is an issue.

    Today for example we dropped cars off at the port. You need whats called a dock receipt to drop there. When we get there one of the cars wont go into neutral. If you cant at least roll the car off your trailer then the dock receipt must be updated. So driver called me. I called broker, broker calls shipper who has to pay the shipper for fork lift use. Shipper then emails the port people when the $350 forklift use bill is paid. Then broker tells me its paid for and i call driver who tells the port to look it up again. #### took an hour and a half. Then all cars get unloaded and driver is about to leave and they stop him and say there is an error that must be corrected before he leaves. One of the cars vin numbers on the dock receipt has a 4 that is supposed to be a U. They wont let him leave without it being corrected. So i have to call broker, who called shipper to do the whole thing over again. But get this, the port goes on break from 1130 to 1pm. So they all leave and tell my driver he has to stay till they get back and can check the updated VIN. Lol. Crazy. Also the updated port receipt MUST be printed. Can’t email or faxed. Keep in mind we still need to pick up a truck, drop it off and make it to both Copart and IAA to pickup 3 cars all before 430 when everything shuts down. If my partner and I didn’t step in and do a whole bunch of stuff our day would have been done.

    You can definitely make money, but this #### ain’t easy
     
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  4. TUH|MATER

    TUH|MATER Bobtail Member

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    Woah!! That's crazy indeed. Those are the variables others mentioned that you simply can't account for but will certainly happen. Glad to hear it's not stopping you and your getting over those hurdles to make it happen. Thanks for sharing the experience.

    So from first form completed, until wheels rolling two weeks ago, how long did it take all together? Also, did DOT or the insurance co. give you any trouble getting your DOT# or ins without a CDL? In your state, where you required to get a MC#? Sorry for all the questions. I'm trying to head down your path only I would like to haul 4-5 cars so I need weight tags in CA and MUST have a CDL. Since your local, you didn't need IFTA am I correct? Thank you again, for your time and willingness to share your knowledge.
     
  5. Atlanticus trucking

    Atlanticus trucking Light Load Member

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    Business started on 6/18/18 and trailer was picked up 8/30/18 and we picked up 3 loads going home from trailer pickup. We had no issues getting DOT # or insurance without a CDL. We did get our MC number which i thought was required to operate on your own, but i may be mistaken. No ifta but i thought that was because we dont have a cdl. We do cross state lines every day.

    I wanted to start with a CDL driver and at least a 4 car but our driver couldn’t get his cdl in time. For us 3 cars pays our minimum 460 daily number. Our trailer holds 3 cars, so we gotta get a 4th car after dropping one to be profitable which is a real pain. I wish we could have at least 4 cars so that every full load is bringing profit. We didn’t have that option though without finding a different driver which would have been a real head ache. Our driver is reliable and my partner has known him for 10+ years which helps.
     
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  6. brian991219

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    No, you are not mistaken. To run on your own and engage in interstate commerce (cross state lines or haul stuff that will cross state lines) you must have both a US DOT number as well as a MC number.

    The MC number is your operating authority, what gives you the legal right to haul someone else's property for hire. Except in very limited cases all movement of freight or passengers for hire requires operating authority, either on a Federal level (MC number) or some state level such as PUC authority.
     
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    You being based in California will require CA weight tags if you never leave the state, IRP (apportioned tags) if you do leave the state. IFTA (fuel tax decal) also if you leave the state.

    You will need a US DOT number, all carriers do even intrastate, and if you haul only within California you will need a CA motor carrier permit (CA MCP), commonly known as a CA#. This is issued thru the DMV and must be displayed on your vehicle. California Highway Patrol (CHP) enforces this program.

    Now, you may also need a MC number as well, if any of the vehicles you haul are imported or exported (so anything to or from the ports) or come from or are going to leave the state (such as units from a rail head or manufacturer) you are engaging in interstate commerce, even if your truck never leaves California. This will require a Federal operating authority (MC number).

    Also, since your truck will require a CDL, you must have a drug testing consortium in place before you haul your first load, actually before you ever move your truck even empty. Also, don't forget about Unified Carrier Registration (UCR) and if you do leave CA several other states have special permits such as New Mexico weight distance and NY Highway Use Tax (NY HUT).
     
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  8. TUH|MATER

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    This is awesome information! Thank you so much for sharing. I was a aware of most of those (after reading here and on DMV), I planned on the MC# however now for sure in case hauling from the ports, thanks for that detail. However, I wasn't aware of the UCR, thank you for that, very informative post that many will find useful.
     
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  9. OhNoMrBear

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    I buy a lot of used gov vehicles and can get u anything u want from ranger to 550s.... Even tractor trailers ( I buy and sell all types of vehicles and export some as well )

    I personally do some car hauling my self and will have my cdl a by end of the month if your still looking for a driver. Feel free to contact me I live in pa
     
  10. Kawinige01

    Kawinige01 Heavy Load Member

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    12k miles a month is easily accomplishable i run 10k on average and im home every weekend unless i choose to stay out. Ill burn 52 hrs in 5 days. 12k might not be accomplishable running around daily in the NE but its definitely possible
     
  11. Kawinige01

    Kawinige01 Heavy Load Member

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    Its over 53 ft in florida you need a permit
     
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