Trip Planning / Time Management..

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by TheTruckersWife, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. TheTruckersWife

    TheTruckersWife Bobtail Member

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    Ok Road Warriors, I could really use some help here in understanding this.

    My husband just came off of his first 34 hour reset after his first week at around 3PM, just outside of Waco Texas, October 8. He had listed his NAT (Next Available Time) at 8AM on 10/9, because one, he's new, two, he isn't used to night driving yet, the company frowns on night driving, etc.

    So on 10/8, at 8:30PM, they sent him his next pre-assignment.

    Pick up a load 86 miles away in Lancaster, TX (no problem), and get it to Clayton, IN, est. 866 miles away. Again, great. Until we start trip planning (disclosure, I enjoy trip planning with my husband, it's something we can do together on the phone and helps ease up on him when he is weary on the road. I'm not a driver - yet - but I fully understand the 70, 14, 11, and 8 hour rules).

    He was eating dinner, so I started planning. I was all pleased with myself, because I had him there in PLENTY of time on 10/11. Big problem was, when I looked at the assignment again, it had to be there by 10/10, not 10/11. Another part of problem was, the appointment window to pick up the load started at 3PM on 10/8, and went 24 hours over into 10/9, the next day. They didn't send him this info unitil 8PM, instantly shaving 5 hours off of his window of pickup on 10/8, practically ensuring an impossible run,

    So we started looking at this again. If absolutely every single thing maybe worked right, he could possibly barrreeely squeak out that load in time if he hustled out within the next 30 minutes. But as you guys know, how often does anything go perfectly right on the road??

    So we had it figured that if he left immediately, and not in the morning as planned, and got to the pickup of his load in 2 hours, and it took 1 hour to drop and hook, he could proceed and *maybe* make it if he kept the pedal to the metal at 60MPH. But when he got to Lancaster, the security guard working the yard laughed and told him "You picked one of the WORST times to pick up from this yard". - 4 hours later, and he was ready to roll out with a drop and hook after the 18 trucks ahead of him got theirs...so there goes that!

    1. He knew yesterday evening when he got the assignment that if he didn't leave immediately, there was no possible way for him to make that load in time and stay in compliance with the hours of service, OR with the company's driving rules (they don't allow you to split your 10 hour break, prefer you to NOT drive at night, etc.).

    2. He also was told over and over during training / orientation that the company is a forced dispatch company, so he had no opportunity to refuse the load due to not being able to make it on time.

    3. He wasn't expecting at all to be assigned a load that would force him out before his reported NAT (next available time), so he wasn't as rested as planned (rookie mistake, our bad - still getting used to the wonky hours).

    4. This will count against him. He was already an hour late on his very first load last week due to hitting major Traffic out of Denver. They didn't list it as driver fault, but it still hurts you and the company when you're late.

    5. The routes they're sending him on are on some tight windows of time. I mean TIGHT. The trucks are governed at 60, but the Navigo will clock you for Overspeeding if you are doing 60 and hit a downhill slope (another ding on the driver).

    6. He called into dispatch and tried to tell them about this situation, but they said they couldn't help with these particular issues during their shift, and gave him another 800 number to use, or told him he'd have to call back during regular hours. His choice was to move out or to call. He had to get rolling to have even a chance. He will be calling his DBL first chance he gets.

    So, now that you seasoned vets have all of the info I remember right off hand - can anyone help us learn from where we went so wrong (other than assuming that they wouldn't assign a load that had a start time BEFORE the given NAT, and assigned even that almost 5 hours after the start window)? It feels like being set up to fail, and it's already hard enough as it is out there. Heh.

    Doing our best to learn - we're on week 2.
     
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  3. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    Ok.

    Let's try to reduce everything to simple basic.

    Dispatch says go here get load be there such a such a date and time.

    GO. There isnt any room or luxury to lay in the sleeper adapting to night ops only or day time only. This is strictly 24/7.

    But wait. The marching order is 5 hours delayed. Tsk tsk tsk tsk. Stupid slovenly dispatch.

    Any time a trip plan fails against a future appointment (And it seems it had already) call the relevant company boss responsible for changing appt times and get a new date and time further into the future.

    Your company already demonstrated several things. 60 mph dings downgrade. I worked for a employer like that decades ago. I quit asap. The trip assignment came in the moment their computers stated the 34 is up and over. Move out Mr Sleepy. None of this 10/9 NAT bs. You follow me? They ignored that. And all this developing hocus pocus requires more time in a truckstop somewhere or parked burning up the cell and satellite fighting over this late load already.

    Ask dispatch to send a team and repower the #### thing. That's one option.

    I don't think you did anything wrong... excepting that your driver leaned too much on the precious memo expecting not to drive until like the 9th for avoiding nighttime work or whatever. The company ran him to work the moment the 34 is up. That is what they do.

    A improvement on trip planning is to take empty miles to load somewhere A add the loaded miles to B, in this case Waco Texas to Lancaster is right around 85 miles maybe two hours by big truck averaging 45 mph fleet speed. Never mind that stupid 60. THAT is something else which is a problem already. I trip plan at 35 mph as a defensive check against dispatchers throwing out mission impossible.

    Taking the next 855 miles it's roughly 20 hours to Delivery. Maybe 25 hours driving. You already going to have to stop for 10 after 11 hours. (Plus the little stops on the log book, 30 minutes here 30 minutes there...)

    He got the load assignment in no time at all, in fact it's too slow in dispatching the marching orders. Then fighting 20 trucks for a trailer. What sort of yard is so small you cannot go past all those trucks bobtail and find the trailer in the mass of trailers and leave out in 15 minutes?

    Stuff like this drives me to drink. Then when finished I start looking for another employer.

    There is a few more points I did not reply to. Those are normal, dispatch cracks whip and says mush you mush. NOW> Get going yer late.

    This will continue until a sufficient number of lates causes your driver to be fired and sent home. And there will be no sympathy. A television commercial likes to say you picked the wrong company to run for. This one with the excessive politics and 60 mph you cannot get anything done at all.
     
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  4. Dixiegypsy

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    You re going wrong because you're worrying too much. These companies know what the shippers are like, how far it is and how long it takes to get there. Just do the best you can and don't worry too much about it. They'll see that you're trying and you'll be fine. I get assigned loads all the time that are 3 days late when I pick them up lol I still get paid for them.
     
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  5. pmdriver

    pmdriver Road Train Member

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    If he has trouble driving in dark all the trip planning should be done during that time and when it is light, roll. Do not wait till last seconds, you need to get with dispatch and find a way for it to work.
     
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  6. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    You documented this one well. Hold on to it. Add names. So and so said to do this at this date and time so and so did this etc. There will probably be a investigation over this load. Uh is not a defense when and if that happens.
     
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  7. pmdriver

    pmdriver Road Train Member

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    You do know almost every driver out on the road is required to drive in the dark/night. It is a job that requires it. If he can not drive in dark what happens if going into a tunnel? It might be a bad job for him.
     
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  8. TheTruckersWife

    TheTruckersWife Bobtail Member

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    Thank you all for the responses, they're all very much appreciated.. He (we) take full responsibility for being dumb enough to think the company would actually follow the NAT and not crack the whip on the 34 - (why even force a driver to give it if they're going to ignore it?), dumb rookie mistake, won't happen again. :)
     
  9. TheTruckersWife

    TheTruckersWife Bobtail Member

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    pmdriver - it isn't that he is unwilling or won't drive at night, he fully understands that it will be a thing. It was just an added point of stress for the noob :) As an update, he spoke to his DBL first thing, and was told not to worry about it, stay on the load and it would be handled through back end channels. Again, thanks for all of the responses.

    Rookie lesson #2: Don't assume your NAT means anything, be ready when that clock is ready. Got it! /salute
     
  10. pmdriver

    pmdriver Road Train Member

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    Get him a quality pair of shooting glasses, they reduce the glare of lights at night. Then the other problem is parking, some of the truck stops fill up completely by sundown and will not start emptying until dawn. As for 60 mph, a few years after I started driving they changed the speed limit to 55 nationwide and the dings were from the law which was expensive. Back at that time I planned everything at 45 mph and was on time almost all the time, the roads were a bit less congested back then and most of the time it was a 2 lane road. And then to communicate we had to use pay phones which are really hard to find. Relaxing and stay in communication with dispatch will be your best bets plus stay as safe as possible, trying to do the impossible will only make things worse. He is the eyes and ears of the office people.
     
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  11. 8thnote

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    When you are assigned a load, get with the dispatcher and TELL them what your realistic, safe, and legal ETA is going to be.

    I'm a former driver that now works in operations/dispatch. On 99.9% of loads, it is not a big deal to reschedule appointments for the next day. Your husband can only do what he can do. Don't let dispatch push him around. It's no big deal to reschedule deliveries. It happens every day for every imaginable reason.
     
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