Hopefully they do know the rules, and the rules state you are wrong. PA follows FMCSA guidelines on what requires a CDL. Here is a PDF of a flowchart from PA's website. It's identical to the OK one I posted earlier in the thread.
https://www.psp.pa.gov/law-enforcement-services/Documents/CVSD/CDL Flowchart 5.29.14.pdf
Here is another PDF from PA's DOT that says the same thing in words...
http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dvspubsforms/BDL/BDL Fact Sheets/fs-cdl.pdf
It would be so much less confusing for the op, and everyone else, if people would look at the regs before spouting wrong information. It's even worse when the correct information has been posted and people still post wrong information.
Vehicle combination weights & keeping it under the Non CDL weight
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Are you saying you had a trailer which from the manufacturer had a GVWR less than 10k and you went and registered it for over 10k and got a ticket?Last edited: Dec 28, 2018
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Anyway, I was hauling a John Deere 4400 compact utility tractor, with a loader and backhoe attachment. The tractor weighed about 6000lbs. I was nowhere near my weight limits. I was pulled over by DOT just outside of the town where I worked. And was given a ticket for no CDL. When I protested the ticket, I was told by the cop that because the trailer was rated (and registered) for 14k, I needed a CDL (class B minimum) to pull it.
I went through the exact same deal a few months later with the same truck and trailer, hauling a skid steer.
Neither cop ever said a word about the truck registration of weight ratings. They focused solely on the trailer being over 10001lbs.
After that, I went and got my Class A and never had any issues afterwards. I'd been stopped a few times, and left go.
I just noticed in my earlier post I said class A, I meant class B. -
Just an FYI, when you register under a weight, that does not count outside your state.
It isn't what you register the truck, trailer but what they are rated as.
Many officers will let it slide from one reason or another but when it comes down to it, all states operate under fmcsa rules and uses manufacturer ratings to keep things straight.24kHotshot Thanks this. -
This is from Title 75
"Commercial motor vehicle." A motor vehicle or combination designed or used to transport passengers or property:
(1) if the vehicle has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 26,001 or more pounds or such lesser rating as the department shall adopt under the provisions of section 6103(c) (relating to promulgation of rules and regulations by department), as determined by Federal regulation and published by the department as a notice in the Pennsylvania Bulletin;
(1.1) if the vehicle has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 26,001 pounds or more, whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 10,000 pounds, whichever is greater;
That is the actual law from PA. I highlighted the word inclusive, as that matters. Just a 10k+ trailer means nothing. I'm sorry you got the ticket and you met a moron cop, but it happens. A bad cop does not a law make.Bean Jr. Thanks this. -
But, that is Combined is greater then 26k in that case and that's why. The 14K trailer simply means it would require a CDL A. One can have a 14k trailer and 12K truck and still not need a CDL.
Go and read the flowcharts, they are accurate to the laws,Bean Jr. Thanks this. -
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ZVar knows the rules and where to find them. I can only tell you my experience since running my numbers.
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