They generally do but with new rings the second ring does its job correctly it also act as a compression ring the volume of gas washs down the cylinder so you get minimal smoking just a lot of gas in the crankcase.
Gas in oil of pony motor on RGN? How is this happening?
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The motor runs great! Wouldn't that eliminate float and ring problems? A running motor can't flood the oil with unburned fuel. Right?
So can I safely say the flooding is occurring when shut down? Correct? Just confirming.
So just yesterday I replaced the fuel valve, gasket, and spring washer. When I reassembled, the valve action was definately tighter. Today I'm going to change the oil a couple of times.
Now Honda says I don't need to close the valve first and wait till it stalls. Just turn the key then close the valve. -
Your procedure of shutting off the fuel and letting it run out of gas is correct for your application -
Your float works properly if the motor runs fine.
Here's what I believe is happening.
When you close the fuel valve, it doesn't fully shut off. It closes enough that it can't feed a running engine, which is why your motor stalls/runs out of gas in the closed position. Once the motor dies, the gas slowly trickles into the bowl, and fills it. Your float & seat are working properly, so it doesn't leak gas all over when it's shut off, masking the issue.
Now you begin moving the trailer down the road, during the motions of transit gas is sloshing out of the carb and into the cylinder, where it leaks past the rings and into the crank mixing with the oil.
Because the shut off valve fails in a slight trickle, this is a continuous slow process.
Now when you arrive at the destination or take a break, because the float/needle/seat work properly, the fuel stops flowing, again masking the problem.
You've changed the shut off valve so too late now, but here's how this theory would be proved, try starting the motor WITHOUT turning the gas on. If it starts, then the shut off valve is obviously the issue.cke, AModelCat and Hegemeister Thank this. -
Oh yeah. Did that before replacement. Starved it out of fuel, drove a day, and it would start and run nicely for a few seconds. Tried it again the next day never opening valve. Ran again for a few seconds. Did this 3 or 4 times over a couple of days. So you are right.
Just replaced valve parts and oil. Valve seems tighter.
I'll try all that again with new parts.
After changing the oil, at an idle it sounds like someone is randomly tapping the case with a wrench. Sounds good at higher RPM. This whole thing probably caused some minor damage. -
Thanks alot for taking the time to help me out. I'll keep you updated.
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It will take a few days to see if the new fuel switch solved the problem.
Now, after the motor warms up, and at low RPM, I hear a random clank sound. Obviously the fuel in the oil caused some damage to the bearings or something like that.
My question is, will this problem get me suddenly out of service in the field, or will it progressively get worse and give me warning over time so I don't get stuck during an unload in the middle of nowhere?
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I’ve seen quite often a float needle won’t seat completely. The engine will run fine, but while it’s sitting will leak and get into the crankcase.
The only possible way for gas to enter the crankcase is through the carburetor or fuel pump (if it has one). Those are the only two places your fuel system is connected to the engine.cke and Hegemeister Thank this. -
Why aren’t you letting warranty take care of the problem? Especially now that there is a noise coming from the motor.
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I am. Just trying to buy some time.
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