Driver Just Inspected by NY DOT...not accurate, what can we do?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Proxy, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    What penalty applies to the officer? He is getting paid for being in court and sometimes a minimum of 8 hrs. If it's his day off it's time and a half.
    Even if he loses he wins, on the other hand the driver loses even if he wins, JMO
     
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  3. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Everyone has someone to answer to. Consistently losing in court for writing bad tickets has consequences.
     
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  4. ITHotshot

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    Fight it. The FMCSA does not limit how long or far you can offduty drive so long as the driver is going home, safe haven, store, or entertainment facility like a theatre or casino. A driver can also use PC if they are directed to move by a safety personnel (FMCSA does not define this person but I am guessing they mean LEO). They are allowed to PC unladen or laden.

    The driver cannot use PC to advance a load or reposition at the direction of the carrier.

    The FMCSA leaves it up to the carrier's discretion on limiting how far and long a driver can PC. It's a confusing subject for a lot of people; driver's, carriers, and DOT but the FMCSA director himself says not to overthink it as it is much simpler than people think. It seems to me the DOT involved was one of those confusing the law. (All what I just said comes directly from the FMCSA website on the most recent clarification QA on the subject).

    The other thing is that the driver may have simply went into an on duty status too soon after PCing. Off-duty driving does not count towards a 10 hour or 34 hour reset. While it may not eat the clock up, it pretty much resets the driver's break. Say, a driver PC's after 5 hours into his 10 hour. He just forfeited those 5 hours he had and now would need a full 10 after pcing. The law doesnt necessarily say this, but it is implied (although it may nust mean that it pauses the clock and after he is done PCing after 9 hours another 5 hours but i dojt think so). If the driver was pulled over while PCing I'm gonna say that the DOT was clearly in the wrong.
     
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  5. not4hire

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    This part is not correct; off-duty is off-duty, it doesn't matter what the driver is doing so long as it is not an on-duty (regulated) activity. Even if the driver has maxed out their hours (regardless of whether for the day, or week) and on a 34-hour reset, PC is available, eg., going to a restaurant, etc. There may be some conflict if the driver is using PC to move from a shipper/receiver to a safe parking location (although legal, it is not contributing to the driver’s off-duty time), but once parked and in rest mode, PC is fully available.
     
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  6. ITHotshot

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    Yer right, thought I read somewhere where that could be interpreted as the case but must have been for something else.
     
  7. radioshark

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    The problem with a Data Q challenge is it goes back to the officer who wrote the violation to overturn his own violation, not happening.
     
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  8. Proxy

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    I feel the same way....
    But after in intensive review of why the driver was found in violation, I was able to provide enough proof to refute the violations without shaming the officer, it seemed to escalate with in 24h I will keep you guys posted with the outcome, its always worth a shot.
     
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  9. REO6205

    REO6205 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Thanks. Be sure to let us know how this turns out.
     
  10. stayinback

    stayinback Road Train Member

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    There you go

    Finally, A truckload carrier that actually cares
     
  11. Proxy

    Proxy Light Load Member

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    Good Morning! Its been 12 days since I submitted it to DataQ, it was escalated the following day to "Open, Pending Officer Comments" haven't heard anything since then. Below appears to be the reasonable allotted time allowed by the FMCSA to get the RDR approved/denied, hopefully good news within next 5 days

    "RDRs should be reviewed in a timely fashion. FMCSA's goal is for a response time within 10 business days. RDRs should be opened and investigated soon after they are received. FMCSA sends weekly reminder alerts to the State DataQs analyst concerning RDRs open more than 10 days. FMCSA Divisions are alerted about RDRs open for more than 17 days."
     
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