When Nanny State meets Police State - MN State Patrol Gets Sued
E-mail indicates that some Minnesota officials are trying to hide checklist from truckers, media and state lawmakers
Here is a news article from MN >> When Nanny State meets Police State - Minnesota State Patrol Gets Sued
Email exposes MN State Patrol memos
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by rookietrucker, May 18, 2009.
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In reading this Article, it seems that Indiana got smart and shelled the use of the checklist. Let MN be the example here, and see what comes out in the wash.
I find it very interesting also that the "creator" of this checklist is making money off telephone seminars on how to use it. Lets hope that this suit and the publicity its getting will stop other states from jumping on board with this one.
Its going to be interesting to see how this comes out.Big Don Thanks this. -
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I won't be going to minnesota at anytime in the future, whether on a job, or vacation.
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Since I can't legally keep two logbooks in one truck, I will drive two trucks so each logbook is accurate.
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how on earth are drivers going to be able to get or do a second job!
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I know there have been other post concerning this issue. However, none have given an actual copy of the list. So, here it is. Enjoy!
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This is the first I have actually seen this survey/checklist /report. Makes me wonder why a Lieutenant would want to hide this stuff from anyone. Tells me it isn't on the up and up. Like the article said, this is trickery. You want the public we serve to know and understand what is expected of them. This is like a scam to screw someone. #### glad my Agency never jumped on this bandwagon. The two former officers in this article made very valid points and I have to agree with them. I have said it before and still stand by my opinion, that is the stupidiest thing I have every seen from a law enforcement agency. I've conducted over 15,000 inspections in 9 years I can remember putting 3 or 4 driver's out of service for fatigue. Each time I put a vehicle or driver OOS go to the OOS criteria and read it at least twice to make sure it's definately OOS. The last thing I want to do is shut someone down, cause a load to be late or a pickup to miss a load appointment. I know everyone is human and mistakes happen, but in my line work I can not afford mistakes. Mistakes in my line of work can cause a number of actions. First and foremost, is injury or death. Second, lawsuits and complaints. And the last thing I want is either one. I wonder how many in the rank and file, buck the system on this. I can speak for the guys I work with, there would be a handful of us that would say "yeah right, whatever. Ain't no way I'm touching that." I spoke to a few of the ones I work with and everyone had the same opinion as I did on this one. Wouldn't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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After I heard about Mn. doing this I talked to my attorney. He advised me that what was best to do if I was in this situation was to lock my truck as I got out of it. When they start asking questions about fatigue or what I did during my time off I was to offer them my log book as a record and not say anything. If they did decide they wanted to inspect my truck to say no and to get a search warrant. Subjectively deciding I was fatigued was not probable cause for a search. If they did put me out of service I was to contact him. He says he can not see anything in the laws that would allow them to arbitrarily put you out of service if you are legal according to the federal DOT laws.
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