Beware of Remington/Monsato seeds loads.

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by mhyn, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. Tall Mike

    Tall Mike Road Train Member

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    Monsanto is our biggest customer this is the first I heard of this.
    Thanks for the heads up.
     
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  3. truckdriver31

    truckdriver31 Road Train Member

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  4. x1Heavy

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    My grandfather suffered gas mustard burns and chlorine injuries from gas in WW1. He was in charge of a heavy weapons infantry company who used trench guns (A form of mortars we use today as well as BAR's which was first used ever in battle by USA that year)

    The German artillery targeted his trench before he was able to advance another path in the overall attack at Malancourt France under Gen. Pershing against the German Crown Prince HQ for the entire western front 9 miles away which was the day's Battle Objective for the green and untested 79th infantry.

    The mustard was first into the trenches, he worked hard on getting off the hot seat but it burned his legs pretty bad. Then they fired Chlorine gas into his area to interdict his own outgoing mortar fire that was hurting the next strongpoint trench line up the treeline. That took out his eye sight for a while among other problems. If I understood the battle reports from the War College people hit by gas usually drowned in their own lungs as the body poured fluid into the lungs to flood out the poison. (Funny how that works...) And those who have been injured by gas in that way exhibited one classic behavior. Elbows out to sides and palms against the lower chest on both sides trying to squeeze your own fluids out before you drown or suffocate. Medics used that body behavior to go straight to that person and clap a mask etc on them.

    The leg burns were permanent from the mustard gas or liquid. Lucky for him the eyes restored themselves after a while. He was discharged in france after 1919 and sent home by troop ship. In world war two the USA mobilized him again for combat this time when he was almost 50. This time he filled out a card declining the draft saying two things. WW1 injuries, defined as burns to legs and damage to eyes as well as being a vital public servant at that time which cannot be taken away for war. So the USA accepted it at the Draft Board and gave him a exemption and he lived out his life.

    Back to inhalation problems. Every facility Ive ever hauled out of that had that type of Hazmat or similar classes had a Three Ring Binder in a basket against a green lime painted wall. In that basket contains specific information required by law to anyone who wants to read about it regarding the dangers in that specific facility.

    Ive always hated hauling into and out of farm coops that contain anhydrous ammonia, and other substances which I knew in that class to be a gas that can hurt you or kill you pretty quick. It's a wonder I got away with it. I wont be doing that again. I don't get paid any more than usual to hold a Hazmat and especially after what it has become after 9-11 with future changes coming for three classes of same. (Individual trucks and trailers along with drivers must hold a permit to haul one of those three classes for that specific run. Similar to a alcohol permit type of deal.)

    As bad as gases were, it's the corrosives that got my number. Sometimes the fumes from them were pretty bad. If you saw what they would do in live loading the #### things you would be less inclined to be at the store buying them.
     
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  5. mhyn

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    about 3 years ago the shipper rejected my trailer because it was not vented trailer. I asked them why you rejected it? They explained that fertilizer is not hazmat but fumes are very dangerous... must be vented trailer so fumes will go out and not been accumulated in trailer.
     
  6. x1Heavy

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    If that was me being rejected today I would have gotten the circular saw out with the big battery on it. Saw a square in the upper front of trailer and another on one of the doors. There. Vented. Load me. Quick.

    Regarding repairs I would have the company shop take care of it. Less trouble than running around all over creation trying to find a vented trailer.
     
  7. REO6205

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    Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer is considered to be an Oxidizer and should be placarded as such.
     
  8. x1Heavy

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    That is the material which if mixed with certain other substances become a bomb? We had a few silos in WVa that held that stuff for the mines I believe. Wouldnt it be a explosive instead? Maybe a D?
     
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  9. truckdriver31

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    class 5
     
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  10. REO6205

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    We used to haul quite a bit of bulk ANFO in our pneumatics and bagged product in our van. We placarded it as Blasting Agent. The way I understand the product is this...
    ANFO...like the stuff used in the Oklahoma City bombing...is a mixture of ammonium nitrate and diesel oil. The exact ratio is something of an industry secret and publishing it will definitely get you some unwanted attention whether you're aware of it or not.
    The ammonium nitrate designed for ANFO is in prill form and it it's manufactured to different specs than regular fertilizer AN.
    It's very powerful but stable to handle and haul hence the Blasting Agent placard.
    You need a good detonator and/or some boosters to set it off and achieve maximum efficiency..
     
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  11. 25(2)+2

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    Ammonium nitrate is the nitrogen fertilizer of choice for pasture since it doesn't need to be incorporated(worked in) to prevent the ammonia from gassing off like urea will do.

    The quarries around here have bulk trucks delivering the stuff for blasting, a lady driver I know used to do that, but they tend to not keep people on that job too long. It's not a really intense explosion like c4 would be, but it works well for blasting bores drilled in rock.

    NH3 needs to be respected and absolutely do not wear contact lenses around it. I only hauled it for myself when I was farming and the one year driving for a coop when I started driving truck. A guy I later ran across had gotten burned in the upper legs because he wasn't wearing all of the protective gear while off loading a tanker. The safety equipment for the guy loading nurse tanks for application(usually only one did it at any location) is a stock tank big enough to be immersed in about two thirds full of water. Usually big enough for 2 or 3 to jump in.
     
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