How useful are company FMCSA scores?

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  1. buddyd157

    buddyd157 Road Train Member

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    no, an OOS could be something not mechanical. like maybe a log/ELD.

    further, one can check "ripoff report" on nearly all the trucking companies...i know that site will have BILLIONS of bad reviews, even on the best of the best companies, all cuz someone didn't get to go home one weekend, or had to layover and wait for a load.

    as stated by someone else, the good companies do not send recruiters to the schools

    the good companies do not advertise...
     
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  3. MYSTYKRACER

    MYSTYKRACER Medium Load Member

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    The general problem w/ this is that most of the "good" companies don't hire rookies b/c they're too #### expensive to insure. It's a conundrum for most folks who aren't serious about really digging for info. If you do dig though you can come up w/ some hidden pearly but for some reason most noobies seem too lazy or whatever to do the deep research.

    I will say that there's a good bit of truth to this though. Based on the research I did I came up w/ a handful of companies on my own that I applied to that didn't have recruiters that came to our school. One of them did have a poster in the recruiting room that I told them about when they asked how I heard of them and they actually said, "Is that poster still up there?! We put that up five years ago!"


    My father says something similar: "Never eat at a restaurant that has an empty parking lot!"
     
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  4. lovesthedrive

    lovesthedrive R.I.P.

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    If you chose poorly of whom you work for. That company may mean the difference of whether you will be hired by the next company or ridiculed for the poor decision.
     
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  5. MYSTYKRACER

    MYSTYKRACER Medium Load Member

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    This is one of the big pitfalls people don't think about and something I'm definitely trying to avoid! I don't want to end up at a company where I'm miserable for a year and then walk away w/ a bad rep on top of the pain!
     
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  6. Oor

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    Gives a general indication of how good a company is at being in compliance.

    Worse score, less likely to get a bypass and more likely to get pulled around back at weigh station.

    All things being equal, pick the better company.
     
  7. buddyd157

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    this is true, my former employer (that i retired from) WOULD NOT hire anyone with under 5 years experience. and I APPRECIATED that, as i was paid very well.. to me, why hire someone off the street, NO experience, and with-in x amount of time, pay them the same as me..??
    to me, that is NOT fair, for all my years, and someone walks in, with LESS experience than me, and gets the same pay..?? BS.

    there was a time (believe it or not) companies like Werner had a 5 year minimum experience level before they hired you.
    believe it or not, many if not all companies had a 10 year experience level BEFORE one could ask the company, to be a trainer.
    believe it or not, many if not ALL tanker companies had a 10 year experience level BEFORE they hired you to pull tankers!
    believe it of not, NO EX-CON, ever got a job with a reputable company, but many clandestine or gypsy companies did..by the way, an o/o was refered to as a "gypsy trucker" back in the day.

    Gypsy's had come from India (originally) and gypsy's were known to be nomadic-roamers.....(alias) independent truckers...in later years, gypsy's were known as roaming thieves, and would set up thier tents, wagons in different towns, steal them blind, and move on.....(again, the independent trucker lifestyle)

    to this day, many old timers remember that description of the o/o......back in the earlier days.

    it is a catch 22 situation.

    you need the experience to get a job, but you cannot get the job if you don;t have the experience.

    so this is where the low-life mega carriers come in.

    and frankly, they ruined this industry, when they opened up the doors to all people, from all walks of life and backgrounds.

    once you lower your standards for seat meat, you just ain't no good in my opinion.

    that's why i was SO GLAD, my former employer DID NOT hire inexperienced people.

    it's tough, but ya know what..??


    just do it, and move on 1 year later.
     
  8. roundhouse

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    The turnover rate of their drivers is more important
    Most companies brag about their turnover rate of its under 100%

    just imagine if a local school district had 100% turnover on its teachers or a hospital had 100% turnover in its nursing staff

    what part of the country are you in ?
    Want to be based in ?
     
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  9. MYSTYKRACER

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    Yeah after 20 years in the IT field where you have to knock on a lot of doors to find the right job I was amazed by how recruiting works vs turnover in this field. When I told my wife there are companies w/ a +100% turnover we honestly couldn't figure how they were able to stay in business?! It's the only industry I've seen where pretty much anyone w/ the minimum credentials and a clean background can get a job.

    I'm in Houston. I've been "knocking doors" already at some of the small to mid-sized tanker companies around for when I complete school next month. Have a couple of nibbles at what seem look good mid-sized companies. I have interviews set up w/ the local terminal managers at Superior Bulk and Tidewater Transit. I also applied to Crete and Freymiller ( these seem like two of the better mega-carriers if you're stuck w/ that ) in case the tanker thing doesn't work out right away and I need to do a year of dry van before moving into tankers.
     
  10. roundhouse

    roundhouse Road Train Member

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    I agree

    there isn’t much barrier to entry to be a driver
    So you’re competing with anyone and everyone , including immigrants who can’t even speak English

    I know a company that will hire drivers fresh out of CDL school and put them thru a 12 month paid training
    but only if they pass an intensive 10 year look back background investigation that includes having a clean driving record , a good credit score, and zero criminal convictions ,
    And this background investigation also includes your siblings , parents , spouses and In laws , since the apply doesn’t fall far from the tree

    I know someone who was at a recent CDL school when this company’s recruiter visited
    90% of the class Was not eligible to apply for the background check
    Recruiter started naming off stuff that would Knock you out of the check

    can’t have any unpaid child support
    Several students leave the room

    can’t have any repo’s , judgements , foreclosures or Liens .
    Several more walk out

    can’t have any serious traffic convictions, no DUI no texting and driving , no street racing etc
    Several more walk out

    this goes on until 27 of the 30 students are gone
    The recruiter holds up the 250 page background investigation application and drops it on the table with a bang .
    Two of the three students walk out .
    Recruiter points at the last student and says “you’re hired !”
    Fill this out and get it back to us ASAP
    We will call you when the results come back , takes somewhere between 6-20 weeks
    Company called back 6 weeks later and the student got hired, earned $40k in the 12 month training , and that rate doubled after passing the 12 month training .
    Driver is assigned a Nearly Brand new W900, after 18 months , driver gets to pick the color of the brand new one he will be assigned. they are home every weekend . And this company has zero turnover

    there are some good companies out there
    It’s your job to find them .
    They likely won’t find you because there are too many bad companies that will find you first .
     
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  11. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Recruiter jibber jabber and company web sites are "optimistic" interpretations of company wishes. The FMCSA Saferweb CSA scores are statistical reality. I think of it this way, all but the very very worst car drivers say they are good drivers. Their insurance company makes them pay for insurance based on reality.

    I pay attention to the percentage of out of service (OOS) and driver OOS compared to the rest of the industry. BTW, those OOS numbers translate into real life treatment at weigh stations. Don't volunteer to be hassled by DOT.
     
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