torquing main bearing caps

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  1. Hulld

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    6732F5A2-833A-4320-B849-7FA23AC61C96.jpeg B4A88338-D818-4D1C-A929-90C6755983CB.jpeg B4A88338-D818-4D1C-A929-90C6755983CB.jpeg All though I respect everyone’s opinion in this thread and I am not looking to bash anyone’s opinion there are many cases of engine manufacturers using the torque angle method of tightening main bearing caps including
    Caterpillar.
     
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    From the reading I've done so far, I get the idea that the torque angle method is more specific to the fasteners being used than it is to the engine manufacturer. For example, if one were using brand new fasteners of a type that were meant to be torqued to yield, then it should make no difference at all to the engine. I could be wrong, but I'll continue to research the matter.

    Thanks again for the info! It's what I was looking for when I made my original post.
     
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    I guess you could tighten the bolts using Detroit's approved lubricant, sequence, and torque with a calibrated 3/4" torque wrench. Then mark them 1/6 turn and backoff to the sixth turn. Loosen til just loose then in increments torque to you find the torque to get to your mark. I would find average of at least twenty torque up sequences. Then turn your 60 degrees. This should take most of a morning. Or you could just torque it to the spec given in the lastest Detroit service manual.
     
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    Detroit 12.7
    347-391 lb.ft

    That's a 44 ft. lb. spread.

    It is not precise, is it? Why don't you take Detroit to task on the matter? They might listen to you. Why are you wasting your time on me? I already know what a torque wrench is.

    What kind of odds might we wager that a torque to yield bolt would end up somewhere within that 44 ft. lb. spread?

    It would take no more than seconds to torque down the main bearing cap. Using the torque to yield method, you could torque down the main bearing caps on about fifty engines in one morning, and the work would be more precise.

    Maybe Detroit doesn't change their manuals because they're taking campaign donations from Harbor Freight?

    Like ELDs--Do you know what an ELD is? Maybe congressmen accepted campaign donations from ELD manufacturers?

    Who's paying you to act like a clown? I hope they ain't paying you too much.
     
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    I don't usually work on Detroit's, but if I did I would follow there published literature. My Snap-on tech angle wrench shows final torque when use torque plus angle method. Usually see about 25 ft/lb spread on most that use torque plus turn method on head bolts. I think it just comes down to you don't have enough strength to pull the torque wrench?
     
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    That's probably the best way. OP, you just need a ATECH4RS600 Snap-on Store

    Tighten the bolts to 100 ft lbs, then set it to something like 90 degrees. Start turning it until it flashes 390 ft.lbs and note the registered angle. Repeat it on a few bolts to get the spread, and you'll have your answer.
     
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    That's the one I own, and if I did mains on a Series 60 and would pull it to published torque setting of Detroit.
     
  9. stonefly4

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    Does it measure angle?

    'Scuse me... I see from your post that it does.

    Now here's what you do, funny man. Get on one of them engines that you rebuild thousands of, and with brand new torque to yield bolts, you torque about a dozen of them to Detroit specs, and record the angle for me.

    Thanks.
     
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    Yes it does. Use it mainly for head bolts.
     
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