1998 International 4700 GCWR?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by kvanmelrose, Jan 8, 2025.

  1. kvanmelrose

    kvanmelrose Bobtail Member

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    Hello everybody. I am looking for some info on a used truck I am thinking about purchasing.

    I run a small agriculture supply company and currently hold a Class A CDL and am looking at a used 1998 International 4700 with the 6+1 transmission, dt466E and hydraulic brakes that has a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of 25,500.

    The reason I am interested in this truck is that is has a flatbed that I can use to haul goods for smaller orders without a trailer, then when needed hook up the 25000 gvwr gooseneck and be able to transport more size/weight.

    Til this point we have avoided registering anything with a DOT number because we havnt been over the 26,000lb limit or hauled over state lines.

    The problem that I am having is that the truck I am going to look at tomorrow does not have a GCWR on the door sticker to show what the vehicle is legally allowed to tow, but does have the GVWR and axle ratings. I tried calling the local international dealership and they said "it doesnt have a GCWR since it didnt come from the factory with a hitch and was sold as a straight truck."

    Is this truck allowed to tow any trailers if it doesnt have a GCWR? Is there a way to get it rated for a tow weight? Would it go off the goosenecks GVWR and the rear axle "tounge" weight since it doesnt have a GCWR?

    Any info or insight on how I can stay legal would be appreciated. I talked to a DOT consultant today and he said it "wouldnt be an issue with no GCWR, it would go off the rear axle weight when loaded."

    What do you think?

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  3. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    First check with your state, I think all 50 use the us dot for registration of the company for commercial transprt of any kind.

    second you are over 10k, so you have to log

    third if you are interstate, you will need an authority to operate interstate, the gvw of the truck does not matter.

    fourth, you can pull the trailer with the truck, proper hitch and so on. Also depends on the axle placement, the flat bed straights I owned had the axle too far forward to carry the weight.

    Fifth, here is where you may run into a problem, the length of the truck and trailer most likely will exceed the laws of several states. You didn’t state how long the truck is, not just the bed but the entire truck, so I am going to assume it is at least 25 feet.
     
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  4. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    No, not so. I've run an 80K commercial truck in Idaho without DOT (or even without a name on the door). Perfectly legal.
    No need to log, either, unless under DOT rules.

    Yes, you can pull a trailer, however, I've run a very similar International with that motor, and you will be GROSSLY under-powered if you put any kind of weight on. To the point of it being dangerous in traffic.

    Finally, those trucks aren't built to run at that kind of weight (transmissions, drive trains, brakes, among other things). In my experience, you'll be much better off stepping up to a class 8 vehicle. CPM cost will be similar (lower in our case), and reliability - up time will be much higher. A 9100 with a 28' flat would run circles around the little truck, safely and for the same cost.
     
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