3.91 vs 4.31 for up to 80K lbs

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  1. Tim4788

    Tim4788 Bobtail Member

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    Sorry if this is the wrong place but building a Grapple truck 4900sb with either a 550 X15,or hopefully a 550 C15 if things work out. This will be for tree work and haul up to 80K lbs total. Most likely going 13/18 speed eaton. Fuel mileage will be poor regardless with a loader/box.

    This will be for around town and some off road. Is the C15 fine with the 3.91 since it has power to take off and will rev out freely? Is the 4.30 a better option or overkill with 550/1850 ?
    Splitting hairs over a 10% difference?

    It seems like most heavy haul trucks are 4.11 but the two trucks I'm looking at don't have it.
    Thanks
     
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  3. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    Only 80k you'd be fine with 3.91s. Hell my old man drug 118k out of the mountains with a 530 ISX and 4.10s with no problems.
     
  4. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    4.30 will give you a bit better grunt out of the hole though.
     
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  5. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    550HP? 3.55s-3.70s. 4.30 is way too low. Overkill for 550HP. Like a big dog on a short leash. Leash is so short that the dog can't exercise. Heck, if you're staying under 80k, 550HP would pull like a champ with a 3.33 or 3.55 ratio...especially if backed by a strong 18.

    EDIT: The only way I'd rock 4.30s with a 550HP engine is if I had plans of pulling 160k GVW.
     
  6. uncleal13

    uncleal13 Road Train Member

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    3.91 is most common for us pulling 140,000 lbs on the prairies.
    Mountains 4.11 more common.
    4.33 for forestry work.
    Anything beyond that is more oil patch, off road work.
     
  7. Tim4788

    Tim4788 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the input guys. I'm leaning towards the 3.91 .
     
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  8. REO6205

    REO6205 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Good choice.
     
  9. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    Yeah 4.33s with a modern RTLO 18 speed on 24.5 rubber you're going to be tach'd out at around 65ish too lol.
     
  10. Ruthless

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    bet thats like 1650 rpm tops.




    in my area local guys run 76.5k on triaxles: 3.90 for highway trucks mostly, 4.56 for local/off road trucks.
    All tall rubber, all 18’s, all 550+

    riding to your destination a little slower may be frustrating- bet the first time you get a tow from a few miles out in the woods would be more so.

    @Tim4788 do you know anyone that does the kinda work you'll be doing from around your way? Be a reasonable start to ask someone that’s doing it in the same area what they use n go from there.
     
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  11. AModelCat

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    Yep you are correct on that one.
     
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