41 Foot Mark: Where is it REALLY supposed to be?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by IceDogg, May 25, 2009.

  1. IceDogg

    IceDogg Bobtail Member

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    The atlas says "center of rear axle group" in some states, regarding the 41' mark. But what does that mean? Center of rear axle, or the space that splits the trailer tandems? It seems to me States like VA, NC, FL wants the center of the rear axle on your trailer tandems on the 41' mark, yet I see some drivers with their tandems basically all the way to the back of a 53' trailer!

    So does anyone know FOR SURE what states are what, and where the tandems should be? Does Canada get this confusing?

    In California, is the 40 ft mark used for the very rear axle, or the space in the middles of the trailer tandems? Who still checks for bridge formula?
     
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  3. javelinjeff

    javelinjeff Medium Load Member

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    Quite simple actually,,center of kingpin to center of REAR axle,,,not front of trailer and not between the tandems
     
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  4. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    If it reads; "centre of rear axle group", then that means the centre-point between the forward-most and rear-most axles on the trailer (between the axles on a tandem, or the middle axle on a tridem, etc.). California measures from the kingpin (which can differ from trailer to trailer) to the centre of the rear axle, some states measure to the centre of the axle group, etc.

    It sounds like you already have a Rand McNally Trucker's Atlas, so accurate reading is your friend and will save you from tickets. :biggrin_25525:
     
  5. Stump

    Stump Heavy Load Member

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    Best way to stay out of trouble, keep a 100ft tape messure with you. Its always kingpin to center of rear axle.
     
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  6. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    If it will scale legal (40 ft) for CA, it's legal in all 50 plus Canada.

    Slide it up, scale it. If legal, run it. Otherwise, stretch as needed.

    Those guys you see stretched out all the time. Generally run straight highway, rarely getting into the inner city street system. And it's their ### if somebody nails them on bridge law.

    I see that train wreck coming, as states look for other sources of revenue.
     
  7. tinglish

    tinglish Light Load Member

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    i'm a cali. guy and ran mostly 11 western. i always measured to the center of the rear axle.

    here's the trick i used too. figure out where your kingpin is from the front of the trailer, 36" is pretty common, some times 48". if it's 36" on a 53' trailer, all you gotta do is measure 10' from the rear. or a 48" kingpin, 9' from the rear. so you don't really need a 100' tape measure.
     
  8. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    No, it isn't. California and many other states are to the centre of the rear axle, while others are not. Best advice is to actually read the regs (a resource like the Trucker's Atlas is also good). As danc694U already mentioned, if practical, set it up as legal for CA and you're pretty much good to go anywhere else.
     
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  9. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    If a load is loaded longer and you aren't going to California, you can go 2 feet longer in most states, read the rules for each state you are traveling, some have some quirks you wouldn't expect.

    A 48 inch kingpin setting is pretty rare, and a 36 inch setting is not the usual for a spread axle trailer, either.

    Forty three foot to the center of the axle group allows a 53 foot spread axle to be legal in most states except California, in California, the rear most axle can't be more than 40 feet behind the kingpin, center to center, unless the trailer is 48 feet or less. California legal 53 foot spreads must have the rear axle adjustable.

    I have been told that it is better to have an axle overload than be in violation of the bridge laws, is that the truth?
     
  10. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    That's always been my assumption, based on fines I've heard quoted for both. I'll take my chances with over axle, before bridge law in CA. You can see bridge law violations, without a scale.

    But after thinking about it. It still comes out to be problematic.. If you're over axle in CA, they'll cite you for that. Then require you to adjust, and cross the scales again. Which will clearly show you to be over on bridge. Which in turn, will have you shut down to adjust/shift the load before proceeding.

    It's a no win situation if you have to cross the scales IMO.
     
  11. psanderson

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    Different states have different rules. For example the rule in Michigan states that it must be 40 1/2' plus or minus 1/2 foot measured from the kingpin to the center of the rear axle. This means that you can't be shorter than 40', nor longer than 41'.

    If the atlas states center of the rear axle group it is like LostNfound stated. Center of the rear axle is easily defined.
     
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