92 KW 3406 3ZJ issues

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Zacko, May 4, 2024.

  1. Zacko

    Zacko Bobtail Member

    14
    1
    May 4, 2024
    0
    I've got a new to me 92 Kenworth c500 with a 3406 3zj09501 425hp. The previous owner had an inframe done, currently about 200 hours on it, IPD 15.2 pistons according to the kit number. It's had 6 reman cat OR3587 injectors, one replaced under warranty already. Still seems low on power, not as smooth as I'd expect. Makes 25-27psi boost. Can't get the pyro above 750. Governor was supposedly rebuilt during the inframe. I've maxed the afrc, and turned the screws on the pump out 5 turns. Hasn't made much difference. Just a hint of smoke on the shift and immediately clears up. Added a fuel pressure gauge and found I could draw it down to 20 psi, I added an electric fass pump to supply the mechanical as a test, now 55-60 at idle and always above 40, zero change in performance.

    Plan now is to pull all 6 nozzles and get them tested and replace them as a set of any fail with something other than cat. Then inspect timing advance. I suspect a possible issue with barrels and plungers? Waiting on the tool to remove.

    I guess my question is if I'm on the right track, and if there are other things I should do. Ive been around a few older 3406b and this is definitely the weakest I've seen.

    Ive tried to do as much reading as I could but just need some direction. Reading all posts from guys that seemed to live and breathe these old motors gives me hope. As long as they are still around and active.
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2024
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. Star Rider

    Star Rider Road Train Member

    1,299
    10,408
    Sep 23, 2019
    Michigan
    0
    Did you check if the afrc diaphram is torn?
     
    Deere hunter and Bean Jr. Thank this.
  4. Zacko

    Zacko Bobtail Member

    14
    1
    May 4, 2024
    0
    It didn't have any oil when I pulled the cover,.I was gonna get a new one just because. I've read a few posts about a different governor spring and spacer too so I wanted to try that. It won't rev past 2k in gear.
     
  5. Zacko

    Zacko Bobtail Member

    14
    1
    May 4, 2024
    0
    Finally got my parts in from Cat, and some other projects done.

    Got a 8m9141 governor spring and extra washer, gonna pull plungers and barrels and inspect, from all the reading I've done I should lap them, or should a guy just replace all 6. How does a person tell when they should be replaced?

    One thing I've noticed which isn't scientific, when I touch each injector line, they all pulse with different strength I guess, a couple really hit but some are barely there. I've kinda went down the rabbit hole reading and trying to learn what's going on in there, I think it points to plunger and barrels either weak or leaking, or possibly a pump cam going flat.

    Sound like I'm on the right track?
     
  6. Star Rider

    Star Rider Road Train Member

    1,299
    10,408
    Sep 23, 2019
    Michigan
    0
    @wore out

    If you don't know what you are doing when you reinstall the pumps that motor WILL run away on you!
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2024
    Deere hunter Thanks this.
  7. Zacko

    Zacko Bobtail Member

    14
    1
    May 4, 2024
    0
    Thanks for the heads up, I've been reading about it for weeks and found a few excellent videos on it. I feel pretty comfortable but I was gonna have a kill board ready regardless.
     
  8. wore out

    wore out Numbered Classic

    15,298
    184,680
    Jun 5, 2013
    CHASIN THE DEVIL'S HERD
    0
    You can lap unless they are scored really deep. However where you need to look is where plunger runs inside barrel. Almost any wear you can see here makes em junk.

    Pulsing with a different frequency is common nothing to see here they are all bent differently. Shorter and longer runs of tube between clamps.

    I’d have to look I can’t remember number right now but there is a better spring for the 3ZJ. Extra washer is just fools gold. But I used buy into it too.

    I’m willing to bet your power loss isn’t in the pump. FWIW when you go to backing the screws out on a CAT injection pump it gets real hard on pump cam. More fuel in barrel equals higher pressure on plunger especially with the higher crack nozzles of a C.

    I worked on one a few weeks ago that was overhauled with the pump done by an experienced hand. I think a lot of the fella. Anyway owner brought it to me after it had made the rounds in his area after coming home from a different location where it was over hauled. I asked all of em if it was smooth to which I was told a solid yes each time. The instant I heard it running from 50 ft I knew it had a plunger out. Sure enough #5. Now the fella that overhauled it is as good as they come. He is on up in age hearing issues had a death in family during all this etc. several experienced mechanics swore it sounded great. My point is it can happen to the best. Take your time triple check 1 at a time as you go. 25 percent of the B’s have 1 or 2 out is why the chop. True it’s not hard to do but easier to screw. I never called my ol friend to say anything wasn’t any need the situation had blown up outta control. I wrote this as such to leave names out of it. While everyone else was trying to catch one of the best slipping and brag. We used to work together. Sad these same guys call the original shop 10 times a day wanting advice. I hate to say it but due to a few bad examples my advice is gonna get less and less. Not that it’s good advice anyway
     
  9. Zacko

    Zacko Bobtail Member

    14
    1
    May 4, 2024
    0

    Thanks @wore out. I was hoping you were still active on here. Any advice or experience is greatly appreciated, I'm trying to soak up as much knowledge as I can. I plan on keeping this truck around for a long time if I can get it to perform better and I'll be the guy working on it. Hard to find people that know anything about or want to work on these old girls. I'm in Alberta and there hasn't been any places I've talked to that inspired any confidence.

    Im 90% sure I'm gonna put a different set of nozzles in it. Heard too many terrible stories of the Cat remans failing quickly. I've had one go out already with under 100hrs on it and I don't think it's worth the risk. Is there a different nozzle that would be better for me? I have an OR-6689 turbo on there now.

    Thanks
    Zac
     
  10. Zacko

    Zacko Bobtail Member

    14
    1
    May 4, 2024
    0
    Ive got the nozzles out and sent off to get tested, found a shop that has some seemingly knowledgable older guys at it, and has the meter timing tool for when I get it back assembled.

    Is there a different nozzle I can use to get a bump in power?

    @wore out where do you suspect my power loss problems are at if not in the pump?

    Thanks
    Zac
     
  11. wore out

    wore out Numbered Classic

    15,298
    184,680
    Jun 5, 2013
    CHASIN THE DEVIL'S HERD
    0
    Hard to say without putting my hands on it. I have a list I start at top and run to bottom
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.