Arriving Early

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by madmoneymike5, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

    Sep 2, 2011
    He's doing what a good trainer should do - developing the tools to make his and the student's life easier.

    Different people learn and operate in different ways. Some people (like me) really benefit from analyzing and understanding the whole situation and planning ahead so that there are fewer, if any surprises. Others are more efficient by jumping right into a project and then learning how to deal with problems one by one as they arise.

    There's more than one way to get the job done right, so while the OP's flowchart method may not be the right way for you, it will help someone else to get the job done. Having been both a student and an instructor (fields other than trucking), I've found that good trainers understand this.
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  3. 123456

    123456 Road Train Member

    Oct 22, 2010
  4. Smaggs

    Smaggs Pie Crust

    Apr 12, 2011
    Pittsburgh, PA
    This flow chart is what happens in my head with each new load. Mostly due to the fact that I use elogs.
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  5. madmoneymike5

    madmoneymike5 Medium Load Member

    Jan 30, 2010
    Arlington, TX
    I'm only going to get into this experience versus trainer thing once and I will not be dragged into it after this:

    Firstly, I haven't been driving for less than a year. I've been driving for less than 2 years. That may not mean much more to you or anyone else, but let's get the facts straight.

    Secondly, I may have minimal experience, but I had three trainers in my time as a student. The first two were very experienced, but HORRIBLE teachers. I learned NOTHING from them. The third had only a couple years experience (like me) but was a FANTASTIC teacher. I learned more from him than anyone else. So, it's not just the experience that makes the trainer, it's his ability to teach.

    As for my ability to teach, I have been a teacher of many things, ONE of them was how to control air traffic! If I can teach that and never had a trainee wash out, I am pretty sure I'm capable of doing a fair job at this. For another, I have a teacher for a wife who has been helping me greatly in creating lesson plans, identifying different types of learning and adjusting my methods of teaching to cope, and more.

    So, please, just because I'm 26 and only a few years experience, don't discount me. And by the way, those pilots and controllers whose hands who you put your lives into every time you fly are likely YOUNGER than ME and are actually INSTRUCTING ON THE JOB to someone even younger than them!

    By the commonly held idea that you have to have a lot of experience to be a good teacher, you are saying that 27 year old Ms. Maria could not possibly be a better teacher than 60 year old Ms. Lumpkin back in junior high or high school? Think real hard. The names might not mean anything to you, but replace them with a teacher from back in your school days and realize that age and experience aren't everything.

    So, that's all I have to say about the experience/age thing. Get over the fact that age and experience are not the only things that make a good trainer. That's the old fashioned way of thinking.
    Of course I'm not going to bombard them with all this on the first day. That's just ridiculous. Of course I'd ease them in. That's why they live on the truck with me for almost 2 months.

    Really? Driving skills? You do realize that the majority of trucking successfully is NOT driving, right? Any fool can put the pedal to the floor and stare out a window for 11 hours a day. Success is in planning, managing, and adapting to changes. That is why so many drivers fail to deliver on time. They were not taught the paper side of trucking; just how to move the truck.

    So, of course I will teach them how to drive the truck. That's the easy part! But doing it efficiently and legally is the hard part. Thus, flowcharts, lesson plans, and whatever other "formula" I come up with.

    By naturally, you mean after the student has left my truck with me teaching him/her only how to drive? They'll learn planning "the hard way"? Maybe...maybe they won't. Maybe they won't figure it out "naturally" and end up leaving a good paying job with benefits?

    No thanks. I'll teach them what I did have to learn naturally--the hard way--so that they can be successful and happy.

    And simply put, I think you're ideology of trucking is all wrong. It's over-simplified, and old-fashioned. But to each his own.
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  6. popmartian

    popmartian Road Train Member

    May 31, 2009
    One issue for Long haul Trucking is time management. Plan your work and work your plan. Don't forget to include time for, delays, eating, rest, sleep and showers. The hard part is when the driver is on a hot load and there is no extra time.
  7. Roscopeco

    Roscopeco Light Load Member

    Jul 11, 2010
    wow. pretty good though. A safe margin for me is 1 hr before pu or delivery appt. never have had a problem.
  8. PackRatTDI

    PackRatTDI Licensed to Ill

    Jul 15, 2006
    El Chuco, Tejas
    Do pics of this Ms. Maria?
  9. madmoneymike5

    madmoneymike5 Medium Load Member

    Jan 30, 2010
    Arlington, TX
    0, wish I did! :biggrin_2552:
  10. Dstraw

    Dstraw Bobtail Member

    Feb 27, 2012
    Pretty cool each his own.
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  11. ac120

    ac120 Road Train Member

    Aug 27, 2010
    OP's chart is pretty much the thought process of an experienced driver. Nothing wrong with thinking ahead and learning (and teaching) how to do it.
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