BW 171702 VS BW 172743 waste gated in 12.7 Series 60 Detroit

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  1. allisonisatranny

    allisonisatranny Light Load Member

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    This was a DDEC III, an early 98 GK model, there is no waste gate. It is now is DDEC IV. This is actually in a bus...I have Kevin Rutherford's scan gauge hooked up, it is telling me my max boost is only 20 PSI. I've seen the later models with waste gate perform much better off the line, and in general acceleration from going to idle on the throttle at lets say 20 mph, to mashing the throttle because that red light just turned green again. There are only three settings, 370, 400, and 430, and I have it set to 430.

    I want to make sure I spec the right turbo, the max HP I will get is 500-550. I know the 171702 is for higher horse power, but if I don't have the horse power, I want to make sure I'm not lagging.

    If I update the manifold, what is the typical labor rate on that? My other concern was having exhaust stud's snap off.

    What are the advantages to not having a waste gate? I'm under the impression, the waste gate gives you better spool. But, you're saying the 171701 is similar, but has no waste but manages to spool faster? Lastly, no the highway it's my understanding a non waste gate flows freely for better fuel economy. I'm not too concerned about fuel economy, the difference is probably nominal.

    Thanks.
     
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  3. benjamin260_6

    benjamin260_6 Medium Load Member

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    A waste gate doesn't effect how fast it spools. All it does is stops it from building any more pressure after it reaches its set max. It's basically an exhaust leak from the manufacturer. Changing the manifold shouldn't take more than 1/2 an hour if the turbo is already off.
     
  4. Trcknwolf

    Trcknwolf Light Load Member

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    Having only 3 power settings (370, 400 & 430) tells me that you have the "smaller" 12.7 engine. What I mean by that is this: your engine only makes 1450 or 1550 ft. Lbs of torque. Just changing the turbo will not help with what you are wanting out of this engine. What do u mean by "it's now a DDEC IV"??
     
  5. benjamin260_6

    benjamin260_6 Medium Load Member

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    He means that it was built as a DDEC 3 and now it has a DDEC 4 ecm on it
     
  6. DUNE-T

    DUNE-T Road Train Member

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    Old post, but maybe someone knows the answer. Is there a difference in internal parts in this "smaller" 12.7.vs a 500hp one besides injectors?
    Is it better to load a factory 470-500hp file onto this "smaller" engine, or is better to just go with an aftermarket tune to reach the same 500hp level?
     
  7. Trcknwolf

    Trcknwolf Light Load Member

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    The differences between the DDEC1/2 & 3/4 engines are too numerous to discuss here. You can't upload a DDEC 3/4 ECM program to a DDEC 1/2 ECM. Again, too many differences in the programming. IF you really want the bigger & better 12.7 engine, you either have to swap engines, or better yet & MUCH less complicated, buy a truck with a factory DDEC 3/4 engine.
     
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