can anyone say anything good about CR England.

The problem lies with people/drivers that don't read lease agreements/contracts before they sign them. They expect to sign a contract and make 1,000s a week solo. WRONG. The industry doesn't work like that. You CAN make it as a IC at England, but it depends on you, not CRE. Most of the posts I've seen on this forum with drivers that have complaints are self-induced problems, meaning England had nothing to do with it. Drivers tend to forget that you are NOT a England employee when you sign a lease. You are CONTRACTED to pull England freight. There's nothing stopping you from pulling Swift/Prime/Covenant/whoever freight with that truck. That truck does NOT belong to England. It belongs to Horizons. England isn't going to sit there and hold your hand when you sign a lease. It's up to YOU.

Just a FYI, I'm not a cheerleader. I'm just correcting false information.

 

I have "LOOKED" at these threads.What's your point? All I see is a bunch of "England did this" and "England did that" comments. You very rarely hear anything that disproves them of being an innocent victim that did nothing wrong but hey, you wanna believe all these sob stories, be my guest. I choose not to.

I spose there's a few things they could be not as stingy about but with a comment like that, you really think CRE is the only one guilty of it? From what I've read, all the other "bottom-feeders" are just as guilty of it so ease up on the predjuice.

And you know this how??

Where's your proof?

It really doesn't matter, quite frankly. I've never been to any other "bottom-feeders" facilities so I can't comment on how many people show up each week/day for CDL school but I can tell ya dozens show up every week in salt lake, burn harbor and mira loma so why would they have to advertise on here?

You're right, why would these companies wanna waste their time posing as somebody else on a web forum?

Maybe a little but It's outlined in the contract and if people would read it, there wouldn't be a problem. Nobody is forcing anybody to sign a lease. They may push it or highly suggest it but they are not forcing it. Also, if you have good business ethics and be successful, you can make more as a leaser than a company driver because starting out with no experience doesn't pay much when you drive company. Now if you got lots of experience and your goin to England, you're better off driving company because the pay per mile is a lot higher.

I don't know how many as I've never counted but you really believe every thing you read? Sad thing is, so many people have selective hearing and only believe what they wanna believe so in reality, it doesn't matter what I say because you only want to hear and believe the negative so everything I'm saying is probly goin in one eye and right out the other.

Yep, that about sums it up.... Well, from the other side of the fence, anyways. The best part of it is when it comes from someone who has never worked for this company and is only fueled by the other nonsense they hear from other people. Those are the ones that crack me up the most.

Yep, a lot of the haters do the same exact thing so what yer point? They just all the sudden by default have credibility? There's that selective hearing/believing again.

Technically, they shouldn't have to have proof. Nobody really asks for proof when another "I hate England thread" pops up here on the forums and when somebody like me does ask for both sides of the story, the argument gets shoved into overdrive and people like you jump in as well attacking the person who's not among the general majority.

Yes it is and unfortunately, it'll never stop. The negative threads will continue to pour in and people like you will continue to coddle them and banter to their every complaint. Utterly pathetic.

 

Yes, but you may or may not agree with the point that CRE does lead newbies down the so called "primrose path" and does count on their lack of knowledge of the industry. And we have seen countless examples on here of CRE's lack of business ethics. Seems ripping people off has worked out rather well for the Mormon Mafia..

 

When you sign the lease agreement with CRE you are exclusive to CRE only. If you pull freight for another company your lease will be terminated. Its stated in the contract. I knew a driver in western regional who was fired for hauling pallets down to San Diego on his hometime.

 

You just have to be smart enough to know better. If it really was a scam like most people wanna believe it is, don't you think our friends over at the law office of OOIDA would have slapped the worlds largest lawsuit on them by now? They've been in the business for a very long time so they must be doin somethin right.

"Mormon mafia".... Aside from all that you've said, that's pretty funny right there......

 

And no, I'm not talking about these little lawsuits in the past. I'm talking about a super-lawsuit that would be aiming at disqualifying them all together from letting anyone sign a lease if it was as hard and impossible as so many people wanna believe it is.

 

Oh and another thing, I'll bet you anything that these drivers that have gotten violations like that have been either fired and wound up with a pretty nasty report on their DAC or have been placed on probation. Most of those violations are on a "1 strike only" basis.

 

CRE doesn't lead anyone down anywhere. The paths you take are your decision, and your decision alone. You don't have to sign a lease. Heck, you don't have to leave Phase II. You can remain a 2nd seat for your entire time there. Those newbies are going to make mistakes regardless of what company they drive for.

 

That wasn't written in my lease agreement. You just cant use a CRE trailer though, which is where the "elusive" line falls into. CRE doesn't own that truck. They do own the trailer.

It may also tie into insurance. If you used the insurance from CRE then yeah, you are elusive to CRE. I had my own insurance.

 

And you haven't "proven" otherwise ...

Gotta hand it to you though ... must suck being one of the lonely few positive voices in a very large crowd.

My question is, why try so hard? I mean heck - if it's so great (and you really are a "driver") ... why not just sit back and take all the miles?

Pm's? recruiting bonuses? hmm...