CDL/non-CDL.....DOT/UCR

The 3500 Ram and 44 gooseneck is likely far closer to 38,000lb GCVWR, and would require a CDL, USDOT number, if travelling out of state IFTA, IRP and UCR. As described, it is not a personal or non-comm vehicle.

For the second one, you must define a CMV. Federal Register :: Request Access
Part 390.5
Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle—

(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater;

For hire doesn't matter when it comes to a USDOT number or UCR. For hire would be operating authority.
Again, as described, it is not a personal or non-comm vehicle.

 

As hinted at above, all we can do is guess.
To be accurate we would need the GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) of the trucks and trailers.
With that my guess both are cdl territory and dot number territory.

 

If you’re going that far, a full Drivers employment file will be needed. 10 years record of employment. Letters of verification from previous Driving job employers if any. Copy of D/L. ( updated annually Current DOT Physical, Drivers certification of violations updated annually. I’m sure I missed something.

 

Y’all should talk to some kind of consulting company aboit this

I’m sure there are companies that help places like yours set up all the paperwork etc

I’m gonna say the 3500 with a 44 foot trailer is gonna be over 26000 GVWR

you said your research indicated the weight is under 26k

if your research was looking at the GVWR sticker in the drivers door of the dodge and looking at the GVWR sticker on the trailer and adding those together , then if that number is under 26000 , you’re good ,
But I can’t imagine a 44 foot goose that’s under 10k GVWR
But it could be .

also if it’s under 10k GVWR you need to be careful about not overloading it .

the company I used to work for had a trailer with a 9900 GVWR with permanently mounted air compressors etc inside ,
I weighed it one time and the trailer was 12,500

 

Call the state motor truck association office for a reccomendation

 

The 21 RAM 3500 dually has a GVRW of 10,700 lbs.

The 2500HD - assuming you mean GMC/Chevy depends on the engine. If it is a diesel, the GVRW is 10,700 lbs but a gas engine is 10,000 lbs.

These are the numbers that matter for the question.

OK for the Ram, yes you need a CDL, without a doubt because the trailer you have may have an 18,000 lbs GVRW which puts you into the class A range.

The other truck, I am not sure but I would venture that it is close to 14,000 lbs GVRW which again would put you into the Class A range.

As for DOT registration, yep.