CDN freight rates

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by CbarM, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. CbarM

    CbarM Heavy Load Member

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    I am looking into a new venture for a couple of trucks with own trailers and I am curious if anyone knows where I might find somewhere I can find freight rates. Vans, flatdecks and reefers. What might be the average rates on tandem vans/reefers? I would like to stick with the tandem stuff, but for deck freight I will consider a tridem... Obtaining trailers is no problem, I already have 2 tandem vans, but wanted to see what else was out there...
     
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  3. JayTee

    JayTee Light Load Member

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    Depends where you wanna run and what you wanna haul. Van rates by and large are in the toilet and have been for years, although some guys are making out okay with LTL. I would do a google search on load brokers in the area you wanna go and get an idea that way.

    One thing I would advise is this. Pick a lane, stick to it and service the living crap out of it and a good customer base will follow in time.
     
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  4. CbarM

    CbarM Heavy Load Member

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    Good info...I think if it were worthwhile I would stay in the western 4, but if it was more profitable I would run anywhere. I realize good customer service is worth more to some shippers then price and I have a pretty good track record for being on time and damage free. Would a national average of $2 a mile be outa range for tandem van freight? Or maybe $2 a mile in the western 4?
     
  5. JayTee

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    I'm in Ontario, but I think you could do better overall staying from MB west honestly. As far as $2.00/mile avg., I would hope you could do that average, but the last time I even bothered to check van rates (which was last fall) they were doing something like $4700 from Toronto to Calgary for a tridem. (Which is nuts in my view as you would be lucky to do $1.20 a mile on the way back.) I know with a tri stepdeck I can do better running out of AB to MB and reload outta MN to Ontario, could maybe work the same for a dry van.

    Now just to cloud the issue farther, at one time you could load outta Vancouver to Ontario or Quebec for decent rates and get a good rate back west as well. That said I haven't stayed in Canada only for three years now so things could have changed again.
     
  6. CbarM

    CbarM Heavy Load Member

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    Yea I hear ya there. I would really prefer to keep using my vans and with the carrier I am signed on with now I am getting $1.80/mi and they pay the plates. I have an ins. cap of 630/month and they keep us full n movin. If I could work my way into somewhere, even running the Yukon n NWT then I would be game for that if it was $2.25/mi n up. Do you know anything about Expediteload.com's loadboard? I dont wanna haul cheap freight by any means, but I am just trying to be realistic. If anyone else can chime in with a somewhat accurate rate figure for tandem vans then I would appreciate it..
     
  7. Prairie Boy

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    What are your costs per mile ??? Do you idle in the wintertime??? If you do, let's say you'll average 5 MPG (4.54 Ltr at $1.20 per = $5.50 a gallon = $1.10 per mile for fuel. You need at least $30.00 an hour average for a wage = $30.00 / 60 MPH = 50 cents per mile. Tire cost for tractor and trailer 16 cents per mile. Insurance Full Package $15,000./year / 150,000 miles = 10 cents per mile. Servicing costs $2.50 per hour for the engine = $6250.00 = 4 cents a mile. $2.50 per hour may seem high but that is factoring in an Overhaul at 1 million. I'm up to $1.90 per mile already and you have yet to make payments on the truck and trailer. Let's say your tractor and trailer payments are $4500. a month = $54,000. a year / 150,000 miles = That's 36 cents a mile, now you're up to $2.26 per mile. Go to work as a driver for Flint, CleanHarbors, even McMillan pays Union wages. Load Boards is where the cheap freight is advertised.
     
  8. JayTee

    JayTee Light Load Member

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    PB's numbers are good. I'm not really versed much in vans so anything I tell you is 3rd party info at best. I do know a guy running ON to AB steady with LTL and I believe he gets the bulk of his freight from load pimps, he says he does okay. There again, his idea of okay and anyone else's could be vastly different.
     
  9. CbarM

    CbarM Heavy Load Member

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    PB...my operation is ALOT different then yours. There would be no highway freight on the road if they followed your figures. My total operating cost is $1.34/mile. My trucks are paid for, my trailers are paid for, my fuel mileage AVERAGE is 7.5 MPG US, my tires last well over 200K miles and the total cost is 11000, not sure how you figured it, my last set of Bridgestone M726EL's made it to 410K miles believe it or not, my maintenance costs are not rediculously high, one inframe done a year ago paid for, quoted a total of 875/month for BC-ON ins., figuring on 3000 for prorate, and paying myself 50 cpm for a wage. I can work alot cheaper then most, I just chose not to. Like I mentioned in a previous post, I am now grossing $1.80/mile with my own vans and doing quite well keeping my drivers happy with 46 cpm.
     
  10. CbarM

    CbarM Heavy Load Member

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    I know the load boards have alot of cheap freight, but there are also alot of good paying freight on there. I am not expecting to make top dollar right away, so I will have to work into it. I will approach some shippers and see if things might happen that way, but the load board is always a good place to get started. I know a few things about brokers and shippers and am not going to follow everybodys way of doing things, I have a few tricks already up my sleeve like alot of others do...
     
  11. snafu

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    In today's market you're at least $.70/MILE short of what I'd even think about turning a wheel for with my own truck/trailer...

    I didn't see anything in those figures to allow for contingency planning, future equipment upgrades and replacement costs or capital purchases...

    If you're working your own truck/trailer for that rate.... congrats to you for your luck so far but in reality, you're not doing anyone any good.
     
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