Class D to A with Tri Axle dump and 30 ton tag float issues

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  1. Macneil

    Macneil Heavy Load Member

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    So I am a tri axle dump truck driver for a local contracting company here in town. We own a few trucks and one tri axle 30 ton float equipped with air brakes and pintle hitch which is 30 feet long.

    I called Drive Test(Ontario) to see about upgrading from my current DZ to AZ and I was told I could not use this trailer, that it would either have to be a tractor trailer set up(do not own any) or a dump trailer(pup).

    Can anyone explain to me in a little more detail as to why I cannot use this tag trailer?
     
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  3. mgfg

    mgfg Road Train Member

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    Because it's the way Ontario's law is set up.

    Two years ago you could take a dually p/u and a livestock trailer for your A road test.
     
  4. Macneil

    Macneil Heavy Load Member

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    Yes I know they changed the laws a few years back. I have two friends that got their AZ with a 3/4 Ton Duramax and a tandem 5th wheel trailer..

    I am just curious as to why a 30 ton tag float with air brakes can't be used?! I mean it's registered for more then 10,000 KGS and has air brakes..
     
  5. Swiftey

    Swiftey Light Load Member

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    Because you could get a license allowing you to drive something much bigger, longer, heavier and and more dangerous to the inexperienced. And you would have gotten said license with a triaxle and dinky tag trailer.

    i can see how it might seem silly from your perspective but they are gonna make you road test on what you could potentially be driving with the license your trying to get, not what your current employer wants you to drive
     
  6. GOV'T_Trucker

    GOV'T_Trucker Heavy Load Member

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    I don't think it says what trailer is required.. Like if I took the 36ft dump trailer we have and our day cabs it would probably end up being the same size (or shorter) then a tri-axle dump with a 30ft tag axle trailer...

    Also as he mentioned as well they told him he could do it with a dump truck that is pulling a pup along with it.. Well these dump trucks and pup trailers are also not as long at a 53ft and a tractor..


    For me this does not make sense... Especially if he can take a pup trailer with him but not a tag axle flat deck.. I guess rules are rules tho not much you can really do about it tho...
     
  7. Chain Drive

    Chain Drive Medium Load Member

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    best reason i have found is its because of the fifth wheel, not the weight or length
     
  8. GOV'T_Trucker

    GOV'T_Trucker Heavy Load Member

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    A dump truck with a pup trailer doesn't have a fifth wheel.. They are pintle hooks..
     
  9. Chain Drive

    Chain Drive Medium Load Member

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    I know, I meant thats why they are not a class A vehicle
     
  10. Bikerboy

    Bikerboy Light Load Member

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    For a ontario class A road test, you need:
    fifth wheel hitch
    at least a 45 foot trailer
    air brakes on the trailer
    manual transmission

    If you don't meet this criteria you will qualify for a class A restricted licence, which means you can haul class A weights, but can not pull double trailers, and can not pull a trailer with air brakes.

    Only guys turning 65 and renewing A licence can use a automatic transmission.
     
  11. Bikerboy

    Bikerboy Light Load Member

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    The rules changed around 2007 i think it was, before that you could use any vehicle which required a class A licence, so lot's of guys were using one tonne pickups and fifth wheel or bumper hitch trailers.

    And then they would get a Z endorsement and they could go trucking with any size tractor trailer, even if they never drove one before.
     
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