Crap! Positive U.A.!

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by BigRedRider, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. luvmyhubby

    luvmyhubby Road Train Member

    Sep 12, 2005
    Sidney MI

    WOW, right is right and wrong is wrong either ya smoke or ya dont...there are no grey areas in this game. Thats kinda like some guys/gals who claim they only drink their six pack on saturday etc.

    What you do on your vacation or in your own life is up to you, but telling some one to get the hell over it b4 anyone even "jumped" is kinda like sayin come on lets goooooo.............
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  3. BigRedRider

    BigRedRider Bobtail Member

    Jun 18, 2010
    Olympia WA

    You know, I really did not want to get into this, but what the hell, why not?

    The issue in the past? Why does Naproxin work now and did not before? Simple. It does not work. Not like marijuana did. Two years ago I asked to be removed from the 800Mg IBprofin that they had me on because it was tearing up my guts. The reason why Naproxin works now? Sucking it up so that I can work, thats how it works.

    I did not come here to make excuses for why I was using marijuana. I need apologize to no one. I was told by a doctor that they felt it would be a good move for me. I got my substance from licensed suppliers, have a card and doctors authorization. I made a decision to work, and changed medication so that I could perform that job to the industry standard and my own.

    In order to fix the problem, I am seeing a CDP for four weeks, each week accompanied with a U.A., and my assment that will be given to the DoT states by a medical chemical dependency professional that I am not an addict, I am a pain patient that has found alternative ways to deal with the pain since going for his CDL. Jumping through these hoops I would hope that a prospective employer could see the situation as it is and this would not be an issue.

    For all of those who have given me advice concerned about being able to find employment I thank you. For the people who are quick to judge myself for doing something that was indeed legal and needed, I need not justify myself to you. Frankly, there are so many people here who always have nothing positive to say about anything I am not suprised.

    For those of you who think that someone with some chronic pain and PTSD cannot or should not work, I would love to hear your reasons.
  4. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

    May 6, 2007
    Yes, but they are going to anyway. Why not take the first shot...

    As for grey areas. I have a pimple on my left elbow, could it be cancer ?

    I say one joint in 3 hardly considered being a drug addict. But you are entitled to your opinion.

    I have never smoked while operating a CMV. Nor have I ever been under the effects of any substance while operating any vehicle. Although I do keep a bottle of aspirin and tumeric...and take them both daily.

    While a test may show trace elements of past use, if given in a timely manner. Those same test will show traces of alchohol. Yet we perceive one worse than the other, because it is an illegal substance.

    But I can tell you with 100% certainty. I have seen drivers drinking in their trucks, after a days work. And I've NEVER seen anyone smoking pot in their truck.

    But that's not the issue, is it? But it does concern me. Why would it not concern everyone else?

    After all, the number 1 abused "drug" in America. Is alcohol.

    From the scientific area of the debate. I know the difference between "trace levels, and high levels.

    Using "trace levels" to disqualify someone, is equivalent to accusing every man who has children. Of being a rapist. IMHO But that's the law as it is.

    BTW, they just legalized medical use in VA hospitals this week. But only in the 14 states it is "legal" What a joke...
  5. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

    May 6, 2007
    It is not up to us to determine this. Your pain, is your pain.

    You will be dealing with companies who are dealing with Federal Laws and their insurance companies.

    To quote luvmyhubby, (while we disagree on the usage issue) there is no grey area on your issue.

    The law is the law. Until you can get those laws changed. Many/Most companies will NOT give you a pass.

    Even a driver who fails a test, then goes into treatment, will lose his job. And most likely will be unable to get another job in the industry.

    Even though the "law" allows them to be rehired by the company that recommended that treatment. There is little, if anything, they can do to force any company to hire them.

    It's the old catch 22.
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  6. Howling Wolf

    Howling Wolf Bobtail Member

    Apr 29, 2009
    Newark Valley, New York
    Well I feel for ya dude... But, ?#1, With chronic pain,Why did you choose Truck Driving for a job??? That right there is gonna be a Real Big problem for you to start with. there's gotta be some other line of work you could get into. Yea, there's guy's out there driving with chronic pain, but, they've developed it over a long period of time. Your'e trying to start out with it. Sorry, but I wouldn't hire ya,just on that alone. If I needed a load delivered, an your laid up in a truck stop saying "I can't drive" that ain't gonna fly with any trucking co. ?#2 - How long do you think you're gonna last with the Naproxin, before you're coughing up blood, and Really Can't Work? My advise (for what it's worth) Find a nother line work. What you Want to do, and what you Can do, sounds like two different things here. Sorry....
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  7. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

    May 6, 2007
    Excellent point there. I'm dealing with constant pain (not chronic) myself, from the years of abuse I've done to my body. Driving and racing motorcycles.

    I can't imagine starting this job at age 25 or 30, knowing what I do, with my current levels of pain.

    Hell I'd be operating a wheel chair in 10 years. Wouldn't need a CDL for that...I hope.
  8. wsyrob

    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    Winston Salem
    Back when I coached I had a swimmer who was ranked 4th in the world. She was subject to all the FINA out of competition testing. Talk about giving up some rights. She had to notify FINA of where she would be 24/7. The testers could show up at your door any time and if you were not where you said you would be it counts as a missed test. 2 of those is a positive.

    She went off to college and started doing some things she shouldn't have been doing. Wound up failing post competition test at a Grand Prix meet in Europe. She claimed it was second hand smoke from a concert she attended. Wound up getting banned from competition for 6 months.

    This prompted me to make some phone calls to learn more about testing protocols. Different tests have different thresholds before a positive results. Just because something is detected doesn't always produce a positive test. Athlete testing is generally at lower thresholds than common work place ones. Her levels were well below what would have been acceptable for normal work place screen. I would find out exactly what thresholds they were using and what you scored.
  9. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

    Jun 16, 2009
    Gary, IN
    Marijuana is a naturally occuring herb. Traditional drugs are chemicals. I'd take the marijuana, if i could get it dosed properly where i wasnt stoned all the time...

    he may have used it for a long time and built up a tolerance and had to start smoking more of it....and while it wasnt affecting him more, it was putting more thc in his system..
  10. lego1970

    lego1970 Medium Load Member

    Oct 10, 2008
    Blue Springs, Missouri
    If you think the guys on here are being judgemental now, then imagine what it would be like in a court if your invovled in a accident with a fatality (your fault or not). Heck, I get extremely paranoid if I drive an hour over my logbook to get back home because I know it would be garunteed jail time if I'm involved in an accident (my fault or not) and somebody gets hurt or killed. You should of told the school about all this long before signing up because they could of told you what your hearing now, and that is pot (legal or not) doesn't mix with trucking. Good luck.
  11. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

    May 6, 2007
    I do believe I clearly stated in my original post..I would be playing devils advocate.

    If the OP can't take the heat in here. Imagine how it's going to be on the road.
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