CROSSING STATE LINES

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Travel'n, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. Travel'n

    Travel'n Bobtail Member

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    I am in Missouri, fairly close to Kansas city. I am looking into a box truck for my business to pick up inventory from the Kansas City area for my business. Due to the size of the truck I am considering, if I stay within the state. I guess I don't need a DOT number, thus I won't need to do all the reporting and record keeping. What I'm having trouble understanding is, if I am a delivery driver in KC I could drive in and around KC over into the Kansas side without a DOT number. But apparently because I am outside KC I cant't pick up product on both the Missouri and Kansas sides of the city without a DOT number. I can find within the codes where I would be exempt from the driver's service time records and all that, but I don't see any sort of exemption from a DOT number all together because the commerce city sits on both side of the state line. I find it odd that I can travel 200 miles in 3 directions without a DOT number but I can't travel 25 miles in the other direction without a DOT number because I will be crossing a state line. All while the city delivery guys can cross the line as much as they like making deliveries all over the city without a DOT number. (As long as they are the correct weight and so on) I have a pickup that I drive to KC and into Kansas regularly, that weighs nearly 7,000 lbs by itself. Add a full tank of gas, a large driver and passenger (or 3 passengers because it's a 4 door) and a pallet of Mortar Mix, and BOOM, I'm at or over my 10,001 limit for a DOT number. If I hook to my tandem axle trailer, I'm over before I ever leave town. Is there something out there I'm missing? It seems like there allot of vehicles out there that technically should have a DOT number but they don't.
     
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  3. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    10 K business vehicle across state lines is by definition a commercial vehicle in the eyes of the FMCSA, and therefore falls under Federal jurisdiction.

    The end.
     
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  4. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    You're new to TTR I see.


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  5. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Check with the local Motor Truck Assn. as there may be a commercial zone and it sounds like a Non CDL driver.. Non CDL Hours of service falls under the 150 Air-mile exemption.

    My non CDL box trucks have NJ non- IRP license plates and without an IFTA [fuel tax] sticker BUT with a NY Highway Use Sticker deliver all over NYC, Long Island, West Chester and more...

    Actually they are legal everywhere...with a med cert. keep your trailer under 10K
     
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  6. Travel'n

    Travel'n Bobtail Member

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    The trailer thing is a catch 22. The rule says 10,001 combined weight. With my PU at 6900lbs, the smallest trailer I own puts me over because it has a 3500lb axel. I get what you are saying about the 150 mile radius and the commercial zone and that's exactly what I was thinking but it appears that only applies to record and time keeping, not any exemption from a DOT number in general. I can't confirm that in the manual anywhere.
     
  7. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    Your best bet would be to contact both states.

    Around here. Pickups and cars have dot and require a med cert to drive. They don't leave the county. Let alone the state.



    Wonder how cities like Texarkana do it.
     
  8. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Nebraska requires Pick-ups to weigh, or they did years ago. To the OP, I would run in Ks. without required numbers and play dumb if caught. Then you can buy required permits, BUT, I'm a gamblin' man ! :bootyshake:
     
  9. Ridgeline

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    Your weight is all about the gross weight rating, not what you have on the trailer.

    If your truck has a gvwr of say 10,000 lbs and you are pulling a trailer with a 10,001 gvwr, well that puts you under the 26,001 lb irp/apportion plate requirement.
     
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