Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Travel'n, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. Travel'n

    Travel'n Bobtail Member

    Nov 18, 2020
    I am in Missouri, fairly close to Kansas city. I am looking into a box truck for my business to pick up inventory from the Kansas City area for my business. Due to the size of the truck I am considering, if I stay within the state. I guess I don't need a DOT number, thus I won't need to do all the reporting and record keeping. What I'm having trouble understanding is, if I am a delivery driver in KC I could drive in and around KC over into the Kansas side without a DOT number. But apparently because I am outside KC I cant't pick up product on both the Missouri and Kansas sides of the city without a DOT number. I can find within the codes where I would be exempt from the driver's service time records and all that, but I don't see any sort of exemption from a DOT number all together because the commerce city sits on both side of the state line. I find it odd that I can travel 200 miles in 3 directions without a DOT number but I can't travel 25 miles in the other direction without a DOT number because I will be crossing a state line. All while the city delivery guys can cross the line as much as they like making deliveries all over the city without a DOT number. (As long as they are the correct weight and so on) I have a pickup that I drive to KC and into Kansas regularly, that weighs nearly 7,000 lbs by itself. Add a full tank of gas, a large driver and passenger (or 3 passengers because it's a 4 door) and a pallet of Mortar Mix, and BOOM, I'm at or over my 10,001 limit for a DOT number. If I hook to my tandem axle trailer, I'm over before I ever leave town. Is there something out there I'm missing? It seems like there allot of vehicles out there that technically should have a DOT number but they don't.
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  3. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

    Jun 4, 2015
    10 K business vehicle across state lines is by definition a commercial vehicle in the eyes of the FMCSA, and therefore falls under Federal jurisdiction.

    The end.
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  4. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

    May 16, 2012
    You're new to TTR I see.

  5. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    Levittown, PA
    Check with the local Motor Truck Assn. as there may be a commercial zone and it sounds like a Non CDL driver.. Non CDL Hours of service falls under the 150 Air-mile exemption.

    My non CDL box trucks have NJ non- IRP license plates and without an IFTA [fuel tax] sticker BUT with a NY Highway Use Sticker deliver all over NYC, Long Island, West Chester and more...

    Actually they are legal everywhere...with a med cert. keep your trailer under 10K
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  6. Travel'n

    Travel'n Bobtail Member

    Nov 18, 2020
    The trailer thing is a catch 22. The rule says 10,001 combined weight. With my PU at 6900lbs, the smallest trailer I own puts me over because it has a 3500lb axel. I get what you are saying about the 150 mile radius and the commercial zone and that's exactly what I was thinking but it appears that only applies to record and time keeping, not any exemption from a DOT number in general. I can't confirm that in the manual anywhere.
  7. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

    Jul 6, 2009
    Your best bet would be to contact both states.

    Around here. Pickups and cars have dot and require a med cert to drive. They don't leave the county. Let alone the state.

    Wonder how cities like Texarkana do it.
  8. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

    May 28, 2009
    Rancho Mirage, Ca.
    Nebraska requires Pick-ups to weigh, or they did years ago. To the OP, I would run in Ks. without required numbers and play dumb if caught. Then you can buy required permits, BUT, I'm a gamblin' man ! :bootyshake:
  9. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

    Dec 18, 2011
    Your weight is all about the gross weight rating, not what you have on the trailer.

    If your truck has a gvwr of say 10,000 lbs and you are pulling a trailer with a 10,001 gvwr, well that puts you under the 26,001 lb irp/apportion plate requirement.
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