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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Ridgeline, post: 12196177, member: 77050&quot;]OP, you are overthinking all of it. </p><p><br /></p><p>First it doesn&#039;t matter if it a non-cdl van, if it is under 10,000 lbs GVWR, then you are in a van. </p><p><br /></p><p>So ... <font size="4">You are in a van, without hazmat, no HOS is needed. </font></p><p><br /></p><p>Period. </p><p><br /></p><p>Expediters travel hundreds of mile and only when there is a hazmat load is when they log. </p><p><br /></p><p>NOW here is the catch, it gets more complicated with the over 10,001 lb GVWR van, this is where it goes down two paths, one is under 100/150 air radius and the other is over. </p><p><br /></p><p>Over you will have to log, under you won&#039;t. </p><p><br /></p><p>AND if you do have to log, all work time no matter what job you are working at goes against the HOS clock, ALL. HOURS. </p><p><br /></p><p>The bigger question is this - does it really matter? </p><p><br /></p><p>Nope, not really because the states could say intrastate - no logging for delivery vans.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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