ELDs encourage unsafe driving when uncontrollable delays occur.

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  1. dirthaller

    dirthaller Heavy Load Member

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    Let’s face it folks……some people are just too stupid to NOT…have an ELD!
     
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  3. ProfessionalNoticer

    ProfessionalNoticer Road Train Member

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    Don't forget the banker's hours. If it's not 9-5 the solar powered steering wheel holders crap their diapers.
     
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  4. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    ELD or paper doesn't matter to me. I'm running legal either way. What I'd like is the law written so company drivers can't get taken advantage of, and O/O's can have freedom to run how they want. I don't need a 30-minute break. I can pull over and take as long a break whenever I want. I don't need a 34hr reset. I can go home and take days off whenever and however long I feel like it. And I don't understand the 70hr rule at all. WTF does what I did eight days ago have to do with today? I can live with the 11/14 part. I understand the safety aspect. But I feel like the rest is to protect drivers from employers, and I don't see how an O/O needs that protection from.....himself.

    So maybe a separate set of rules for the company driver, and the O/O would be nice. Leave the 11/14 with ten off, and cut the rest would be perfect for an O/O in my personal opinion.
     
  5. Elroythekid

    Elroythekid Road Train Member

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    Nope. Those who have PROBLEMS with paper, violations, accidents, etc, should be elog. Your company is s bottom feeder organization with whatever warm body paid nothing, running junk..... when you get to a certain threshold, elogs.
    Those who are safe, no violations, are smart enough to use papers FLEXIBILITY... when they need it, should enjoy the fruits of being a good safe violation free company, stay on paper.
    We forget why eld happened.
    Big megas pay crap, drivers cook the books to make more, FMCSA started the points systems, carriers started having too many points, they needed a way to keep their OWN drivers in line. Hence elogs. Thanks Warner.
    They then realized they needed EVERYONE on elog to "level the playing field" because their productivity was down, so let's have the ATA lobby guberment to fix our mess.
    Good safe drivers and companies should have the ability to have some flexibility, do issues like the OP is having, can be handled. Call it a perk, whatever, it's the spoils of being a safe compliant company. They can do it by allowing paper, or add it to the HOS.
     
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  6. Elroythekid

    Elroythekid Road Train Member

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    I'm solar powered, I'm close to 60, have done my nights, and find I cant shove my clock around like I did when I was 30. I use to drive entertainment, close the doors after a show, open them in a new city next am and do it again, I now wonder how it did it. Doesnt make me a steering wheel holder.
     
  7. Catmando

    Catmando Road Train Member

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    I understand it never ever did agree with it...
    That stupid rule was there when I started driving 35+ years ago
    Some righteous snowflake put that in to make so you could only drive 7 days then you were suppouse to take a day off I'am suprised the snowflake didn't require it be Sunday
     
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  8. Elroythekid

    Elroythekid Road Train Member

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    I ha ent seen any recent numbers, but this came out after ELOGS were here for a bit. ELOGS dont make for safer roads.
    This was in a trucking publication a few years ago. FB_IMG_1491867201600.jpg
     
  9. dirthaller

    dirthaller Heavy Load Member

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    Stolen for my future plagiaristic pleasure!
     
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  10. dchawk81

    dchawk81 Light Load Member

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    I still fail to see why drivers who advocate for paper have a problem being paid more to do less.
     
  11. Elroythekid

    Elroythekid Road Train Member

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    My concerns have zero to do with money. I rarely run all my hours every day. My issue is running out of my 70 2 hours from house, and having to sit 24 before going home.
    Or getting stuck, as the OP was, waiting to get pummeled by a storm, when some "flexability" would let you get out of it.
    It's not always about money.
     
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