Email exposes MN State Patrol memos

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  1. rookietrucker

    rookietrucker Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

    Jul 15, 2007
    When Nanny State meets Police State - MN State Patrol Gets Sued

    E-mail indicates that some Minnesota officials are trying to hide checklist from truckers, media – and state lawmakers
    Here is a news article from MN >> When Nanny State meets Police State - Minnesota State Patrol Gets Sued
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  3. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

    Jul 23, 2007
    In reading this Article, it seems that Indiana got smart and shelled the use of the checklist. Let MN be the example here, and see what comes out in the wash.

    I find it very interesting also that the "creator" of this checklist is making money off telephone seminars on how to use it. Lets hope that this suit and the publicity its getting will stop other states from jumping on board with this one.

    Its going to be interesting to see how this comes out.
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  4. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

    Jul 23, 2007
    And this is particularly interesting:

    The whole article
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    CURTWAYNE Medium Load Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    I won't be going to minnesota at anytime in the future, whether on a job, or vacation.
  6. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Grand Rapids, MI
    Oh yes......this recession is so bad, that I am now going to take a second-job from my truckdriving position as a..........truckdriver.
    Since I can't legally keep two logbooks in one truck, I will drive two trucks so each logbook is accurate.

  7. Elvenhome21

    Elvenhome21 Heavy Load Member

    Nov 17, 2008
    Sheboygan, WI
    how on earth are drivers going to be able to get or do a second job!
  8. jdrentzjr

    jdrentzjr Road Train Member

    Nov 29, 2007
    All over the USA
    I know there have been other post concerning this issue. However, none have given an actual copy of the list. So, here it is. Enjoy!

  9. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

    Nov 29, 2007
    Jacksonville, AR
    WTF!!!!:biggrin_2555:???? First off we should go to thier homes and see if the have books, tv's, gameplayers etc...Whats a driver supposed to do during the MANDATORY 34-hour reset a thousand miles from home? Secondly who the H gave them training to determine medical condition of anyone at all. This is totally absurd and abusive........ Looks like profiling!! They can kiss my un-shaven, disheveled A#$%%#. :yes2557:And while your at it.......................... WASH MY TRUCK!
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  10. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

    Oct 18, 2008
    This is the first I have actually seen this survey/checklist /report. Makes me wonder why a Lieutenant would want to hide this stuff from anyone. Tells me it isn't on the up and up. Like the article said, this is trickery. You want the public we serve to know and understand what is expected of them. This is like a scam to screw someone. #### glad my Agency never jumped on this bandwagon. The two former officers in this article made very valid points and I have to agree with them. I have said it before and still stand by my opinion, that is the stupidiest thing I have every seen from a law enforcement agency. I've conducted over 15,000 inspections in 9 years I can remember putting 3 or 4 driver's out of service for fatigue. Each time I put a vehicle or driver OOS go to the OOS criteria and read it at least twice to make sure it's definately OOS. The last thing I want to do is shut someone down, cause a load to be late or a pickup to miss a load appointment. I know everyone is human and mistakes happen, but in my line work I can not afford mistakes. Mistakes in my line of work can cause a number of actions. First and foremost, is injury or death. Second, lawsuits and complaints. And the last thing I want is either one. I wonder how many in the rank and file, buck the system on this. I can speak for the guys I work with, there would be a handful of us that would say "yeah right, whatever. Ain't no way I'm touching that." I spoke to a few of the ones I work with and everyone had the same opinion as I did on this one. Wouldn't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole. :biggrin_2555:
  11. Biscuit75

    Biscuit75 Road Train Member

    After I heard about Mn. doing this I talked to my attorney. He advised me that what was best to do if I was in this situation was to lock my truck as I got out of it. When they start asking questions about fatigue or what I did during my time off I was to offer them my log book as a record and not say anything. If they did decide they wanted to inspect my truck to say no and to get a search warrant. Subjectively deciding I was fatigued was not probable cause for a search. If they did put me out of service I was to contact him. He says he can not see anything in the laws that would allow them to arbitrarily put you out of service if you are legal according to the federal DOT laws.
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