Tennessee Tech Nashville TN
Week one is done. We have been in the class rooms and now on the range. '87 IH's with 465HP Detroits. The old 8V-92 Silver series. When did they quit making them?
Just straight backing.
A week ago we got the defensive driving course tought by a former TDOT officer. Great class! We will get a certificate for that training. It may mean something with a company.
Teachers are not boring by any means. Very open and personable. You can tell they love what they do.
Our class was suppossed to be 8. One guy paid and didn't show. He has decided to try real estate. We may lose one or two more. One guy was on lay off and got recalled. He may finish school. Another got a call from a place he had applied to months ago.
I am looking forward to doing some shifting and doing the pretrip. I would like to get on the road.
Our first recruiter came in today. He was from Roehl.
Finally In School
Discussion in 'Trucking Schools and CDL Training Forum' started by Rug_Trucker, Oct 22, 2009.
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Hey Rug,
Glad to see all is well.......you will be out of the Internationals next week, and then you will be training on the range in some new Volvo day cabs. They are like 2 years old, and only leave the property to be fueled. They turn very tight, and are easy to do manuvers........but tend to give a false sense of security, as backing with a typical fleet truck with a sleeper is a whole different ball game. Thats why they will get you into that Freightshaker that Western Express donated (Detroit 60 ser./Super 10). Have fun!! -
Good morning Rug Trucker,
Sounds like you're pumped about your school and your future. I noticed in your profile that you're 52 yo but have 8 years of prior trucking experience. I'm 55 and have no prior experience in trucking. I start a commercial driving school next summer at a local junior college and am concerned about how my age will affect my hireability. Any thoughts? -
Oldnewbiewannabe: I am 59 and concerned about the same issue. I was going to attend a training school and hope to get a job offer but I think I have decided to try to go to a company training school. I hope it will be easier to get an offer that way. I live in KC MO and looking at companies that have a terminal close so if I need to park my truck there I can. I live in a neighborhhod that will not allow trucks park on the street.
Rug Trucker: Keep us informed how it is going. BTW what school/company are you attending? -
I think in previous years, companies loved to hire people in your age group with a good working history & Driving record......but in this day and age where even the training companies have their truck's filled up, it will be super tough for any new driver to find a quality company. In an industry that relies so much on the enconomy, trucking will be the first to recover........but as in previous years, when the economy does recover, it takes months for the industry to get back up to speed, as everyone has closed their company schools, and discouraged many people from going into this industry. The next phase of this period, is a mass closing of private driving schools as the industry develops a surplus of students, and no trucks to put them in.....I would say we are not far from this point right now. If it were not for all the turn over in new drivers (not what people think it is) we would be like many industries in the us and not hiring at this point. The good news is, this is not going to last long..........but the FMCSA is taking this slow time to change a whole host of rules applying to new drivers ( and drivers & companies in general) and this industry will re-emerge much higher regulated.
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Well my 8 years don't mean diddley squat. Except for one thing....I've never double clutched. Actually I have on a high revving Cat V8. So of course Mr.Warren busts my chops on floating gears. We will see how I do in a real truck.
Anyone want to go to school? Make sure it is a PTDI certified school. Out West they have an association like that, just heard it today. Except I have CRS!
Every private school in middle TN has lost their ability to do 3rd party testing. Our 2 instructors have been testing their graduates after hours.
I think I am the oldest in my class. The class in front of me has guys that are my age. One guy is 70 in my class. He just wants to buy a big rig to haul his Vettes. Never know it to look at him!
Any thoughts I have on age would mean nothing. I can say more when I am heading off to a real job.kickin chicken Thanks this. -
If you have a good work history and driving record and can pass a DOT physical, your age will actually be an advantage over some young kid that just got out of HS and hasn't been driving that long, with little or no work history. Us 50 somethings are more responsible and dependable...atleast we're supposed to beBest of luck to you Rug Trucker. I assume you used to haul carpet?
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Rug,
All I can say is......"Clutch go to neutral.......Clutch go to gear"!!! lol
In the real world your all done with "high revving" It will kill your mileage and your fleet will be all over your butt. This week they will talk more about "keeping it in the middle of the range" many schools dont talk about this, and you will have a leg up in your company test drive.......in fact most of these companies will train you to really go through the gears on the low end very fast, barely getting in the middle. It's refferred to as progressive shifting, and they will cover this when you get comfortable with the double clutching (required for testing). You talk about about floating gears, I learned this by mistake (my trainer was a stickler for double clutching all 8 weeks!!, and required in my final test drive by the safety dept) I just found when you listen to the engine, and get off of the fuel pedal......it was easy to pull into neutral, and with the proper road speed it would just about fall into the next gear. That cat engine in the Pete is a powerhouse compared to the typical Detroit 60 Ser. engine you will find in the most fleet trucks, so when you get out of school and get into a feet truck with a load, you will have to catch those gears much faster then your currently shifting. -
Hey Rug,
Glad to hear you got into a class and it's going well for you.
Double clutching is a pain int the ###. Jonny1 said, "Clutch go to neutral.......Clutch go to gear." If only it was that easy. The thing with using a clutch on these big trucks is that you only have to push it in maybe half an inch, just enough to disengage. If you push it to the floor like you would in a car or pickup, you engage the clutch brake which stops the tranny and you grind the gears. My school didn't teach floating gears, and when I went to the company, they didn't want us floating during training at orientation. But when I got out with the trainer, the first thing he did was show me how to float. I never knew it would be so easy! I just finished my first week out with the trainer and he said I'm doing pretty good so far and that my shifting has greatly improved. I still have problems, but nothing like when I use the clutch.
I wouldn't be concerned about your age too much, as long as you're healthy, can pass the physical, and are in good enough condition to do the job. When I was in orientation, there were a couple guys that were in their fifties and made it thru the process. -
440 you need to change your title! You aren't a student any more.
Who are you training with?
My school doesn't teach floating gears either. We have a video to watch from Eaton transmissions on why we shouldn't float the gears.
For you guys that don't know the mechanics and history of diesel trucks and their trannies I have driven several different types.
5's, 6's, 7's, 10's, 10 OD's, 13's, 13 OD's all in class 8 trucks. Older diesels turned more RPM's. Mack AFAIK built the first "high torque rise" engines. They made their torque over a broader range. Their OTR tractors were 5 speeds in some models. The 6 speed I drove you had to wait longer to change gears. It was a Cummins HTR type engine.
My 81 Mack had a 315HP HTR engine with a Mack 7 speed. You would run it to 1900 to 2100 to change gears. It would run right along with a 350HP Cummins with a 13 speed OD. 1825RPM was top governed speed # 72mph.
I used to drive '72 GMC Astro cabover that had a 318HP 8V-71 V-8. No turbo, just a Rootes style blower. It was a 2 stroke diesel that we used to spin to 23-2400RPM. It had a 13 OD with it. If you wanted to double clutch it you would have to rev it up to get to the next gear.........the RPM dropped that fast.
I am going to shift as the teacher teaches me. When in Rome do as the Romans do!
My "Highway Hero" has a '96 Mack with an 18 speed and told me, "my tranny has 1 1/2 million miles on it. I'll guarantee everyone of them was floated!"
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