Flip placards... is it legal...?

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  2. ridin_rough

    ridin_rough Bobtail Member

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    Well, the whole point of this thread to begin with was to determine if I can get away with numbered flips (leaving the numbers blank - showing a white rectangle in the middle of the placard) when I have a dozen UN numbers of the same class so I could do 4 numbered flips on each side for my convenience. I am done fighting the placard battle on company trailers(not to mention all the damage and lack of maintenance)......... I have come down to 1 numbered, 1 worded and 2 standard blow away type placard hangers. It's not real often but I can think of a few times this year that the shipper ran out of a certain placard or I pick up empty totes and the broker or whoever didn't fedex all the placards (2 weeks ago, food processor had 8 totes and 45 drums, all empties - 6 placards needed and only had 5 sent to them... not their fault since they were just loading them and don't deal with hazmat shipping).... I think it was a CHR load. Anyway, it wouldn't have been a big deal had I been pulling a trailer with flips. It would be convenient to have the option of 4 flip placards with un numbers AND be able to use em for worded placards also when no un's need to be displayed (and to many un's to list). My trailer is a reefer and I am pretty much limited to 4 placards because of space on the front.
     
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  3. mustang190

    mustang190 Road Train Member

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    You placard by the greatest quantity and hazard.
    You must be doing LTL?
     
  4. ridin_rough

    ridin_rough Bobtail Member

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    actually no, all trailer load. However, many loads require multiple placards. Most of my loads are mixed between class 3, 5.1 and 8... all depends on what is ordered. I get lucky occasionally and it's all one class but not often.
     
  5. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    That’s fine as long as everything on board has the same UN number. The OP would need that anyway if the load is more than 8820 lbs and it’s the only thing on board.
     
  6. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    They SHOULD, but very few I pick up hazmat from even have a clue beyond getting the BOL right and I’m grateful just for that.
     
  7. GreenPete359

    GreenPete359 Road Train Member

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    And the sad part is, they are required to have the same training as you & I.

    advice to all...always sit down with a pen & paper tally your weights & placard your own load. Never trust the shipper the hand you the correct placards. Add it up then request the proper placards (if needed).
     
  8. mustang190

    mustang190 Road Train Member

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    The shipper is required by law to provide all documentation and placards. And, the Hazmat information on the BOL had better match the placards and quantity.
    If not you had better be on the horn to your company.
     
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  9. mustang190

    mustang190 Road Train Member

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    If your BOL and placards are all wrong you need to be talking to your company. It’s not up to the driver to prepare BOL’s for a hazmat load. Especially when it comes to quantities and packaging. That is the shipper responsibility.
    It is up to the driver to make sure the placards match the BOL. And the load is secure.
     
  10. ridin_rough

    ridin_rough Bobtail Member

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    This is where I appreciate the fact that I am leased to Landstar... a few loads had me scratching my head as far as what placards I needed. Snap a pic of the bol and email it to the hazmat dept and they shoot back the requirements. I picked up a hazmat load a while back from Ecolab and they swore it didn't require the normal hazmat description, class, pkg grp, etc. It wasn't even maked hazmat in the column. However, it required placards... ?? I argued that the bol needed to be changed. Turned out that the only thing wrong was a "less than or equal to" symbol in the commodity part of the bol. Yes, placards required, no the bol didn't designate the product as hazmat. I got level 1 inspected in Ohio and it took a while but he agreed with the placards and non-hazmat paperwork.
    I can't remember what the chemical was now but it was in 80 drums.
    It's the only load I have ever hauled like that. But, even the shipper was a little wrong. Over-think and question everything... yes, I am that pain in the ### guy until I am satisfied it is correct - EVERY TIME.
     
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