Fuel treatment for extremely low temps.

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by Hotpat, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. Steve_MacIsaac

    Steve_MacIsaac Light Load Member

    Feb 8, 2015
    False, fuel in chiliwack is only treated to -10 to -15 celcius. I fuel there all the time at the Petro Canada.

    I use howes. In two situations.
    1. Coming north from the deep south to remove the water from the fuel.
    2. I dose my fuel regardless of Canadian or US right before the cold to pull the water out of the system.

    Southern fuel sucks, once you get north of I80 you're going to start seeing treated diesel, but southern fuel could still leave water in your system, and that causes the problems.
  2. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

    Mar 5, 2012
    Ontario Canada
    That biodiesel has 1% of the rates bio% as h2o. So b10 will bave .1% water. Doesn't sound like much...but if you think of it this way... b10 at 100 us gallons will have about the equivalent of 1 can of pop worth of water in it...
    And those pumps always say "5-20% biomass". So at 5% you'd have half a can of pop worth of water for every 100 gallons. At 20%, 2 cans for 100g.

    Wish they'd just piss off with biodiesel for winter. Summer, warm, no cold weather issues... fine. Creates more problems in winter..
  3. Johny41

    Johny41 Heavy Load Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    Ontario, Canada
    I use this Kleen-flo , threats about 1000L, cheap 5.50cad/L , i buy it from Wholesaleclub, i have a store close to my house, actually is about same price 6-7cad at Expressway Trucks (Volvo) in Windsor across from Husky ts. I use two in each tank(150gal) if temp drops below -15Celsius. Howes is too expensive, 20 to 25 usd/(over 30 cad) at Pilot in USA,

    Wholesale Club
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2019 at 10:30 PM
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  4. uncleal13

    uncleal13 Road Train Member

    Apr 9, 2009
    Humboldt, Sk
    -41C last week. No treatment.
    I only use it if the truck has other issues. Had a leaky seal in a Detroit 60 Series fuel pump, it was putting oil in the fuel. Made it idle rough, I put in that Kleen-Flo stuff pictured above, smoothed it right out until I got home and changed the pump.
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  5. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

    Jul 7, 2015
    I've never seen our local fuel gel and we often see -30 to -40 in winter.
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  6. Johny41

    Johny41 Heavy Load Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    Ontario, Canada
    BTW, there's a farmers store called "Rural King" in Illinois, on I-57, exit 71,( they have this store in few more states Ohio,Indiana,,,Store Locator) very usefull for truckers, i purchased Milwaukee power tools, chain saw, leaf blower , grease and cheap additives for years. There's a Wall Mart you can park and walk across the street.
    Right here; Google Maps

    The same Howes additive that Pilot is selling for about 24$ is 9.99$ at Rural King, but they have all kind of diesel additives for about half of truck stops price.
    Howes 64 oz. Diesel Fuel Treatment with Anti-Gel (HOWE103060)

    Diesel additives prices; Search results for: 'diesel adittives'
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2019 at 11:07 PM
  7. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

    Mar 5, 2012
    Ontario Canada
    I buy a box or 2 of howes usually in March or April for the following year. Got it for 80 something dollars for 6x bottles from kwik trip in wi.

    I've yet to use any this year. Canadian fuel for the win!
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  8. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

    Aug 18, 2007
    ~8600+' and loving it!
    There are so many factors that come into play when discussing fuel issues. How much warm fuel does your truck return to the tank? Do you have any heaters in your fuel system? Have you fueled below I-90 recently?

    With my old truck with a Series 60, it returned so much warm fuel, I never did anything other than Power Service no matter how cold it was, unless I was shutting off the truck for the weekend. Then I blended in some #1 if it was going to be below zero.

    Newer trucks return little warmed fuel to the tank, and that means making sure of blend/treatment at all times. In the nasty cold snap a few weeks back, a friend and I were running together, and basically running the same fuel blends. It was -35, and we were both at around 50/50 on our blend. He waxed over his filters twice, while I had no issues at all. We think the heating element in his Davco was not working. The only difference in the trucks was his ISX vs my DD13, neither of which send much warm fuel through the return.

    I don't buy any Minnesota fuel in the winter, because of the bio content, and make sure I overcompensate a bit if I come north with much fuel from anywhere south of the Dakotas. The biggest problem we have in the states is that no one ever seems to know exactly what their fuel is blended to, it's a crapshoot that leaves you blending in more #1 than you really need to be absolutely certain you've blended enough.
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  9. mudflap77

    mudflap77 Light Load Member

    Oct 11, 2010
    Bull!! A bottle or 2 of conditioner is cheaper then the alternatives even with Canadian fuel
  10. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

    Mar 5, 2016
    White County, Arkansas
    Set high idle at 1500 and leave it be when not driving. That heats your fuel return so it does not matter how cold it gets.

    Spend a dollar and buy a pair of tank heaters for your fuel as well.

    The refineries know what blend to crack for winter and summer. Just be sure to purchase quality fuel from decent vendors and that's all there is to it.

    Keep that truck loaded and rolling so you don't have too many 1500 idle over 24 hours doing nothng

    Finally but not least. Quit being so stubborn and staying that far north Mr Silly. //teasing... get yourself down south where there are beaches, valley girls and many good things to have fun doing on your time off with the engine off.
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